They love doing this shit, it’s an incredibly easy way to just dismiss what people say without ever listening to them.
If these people actually listened to what we say on these, they would realise we don’t “deny” genocides, we put a historical event into full context. And with the full context, it turns out it wasn’t meanie head baddie Stalin and Mao murdering people for no reason, but a complex web of actions done by multiple people, and a lot of mistakes and errors.
Then again, these are the same people who will say “never again” to the holocaust right before empowering nazis in their country so they can stop the “redfash tankies.” The same people who go on about the “We-gear genocide” are also the same sort of people who salivate at the idea of putting all Asian people in concentration camps.
Their real opposition to the Holocaust is that Hitler never completed it, not that it never should have happened in the first place.
Exactly! They ignore why holocaust denial exists. It is just a “bad thing” without context. Because context is anathema to the liberal worldview because reveals history as the complex thing it is rather than the simplistic “good guys vs bad guys” narrative libs ascribe to.
I agree with your sentiment, and while I agree reality has many shades of grey, I find that generally speaking through history and violence, its fair to say one side is more or less on the progressive, altruistic, and wants to minimize suffering, aka the closest thing to “good guys” vs the obviously blatantly evil or regressive side.
History doesn’t have “good guys” and “bad guys” though, it has people, and good and bad actions. We shouldn’t fall into the trap of excusing awful behaviour because it is done by someone on “our team”
The liberal mentality doesn’t have good or bad actions, just good and bad teams. The “right side of history” nonsense. If someone is a designated “bad guy” then they are automatically bad, even if they have to make up reasons why. They don’t believe in motivations behind actions, just tautological nonsense about “bad guys doing bad guy things because they are bad guys.” and in turn, by refusing to understand why something has happened, they make it inevitable that it happens again. We need to be better than this, and avoid past mistakes.
I don’t think that just because someone is good or bad or on “our team” excuses their actions, and I agree the bigger overall point is to learn from mistakes and crises.
Oh sorry! I realise I was sounding accusatory there, I didn’t mean to sound like that. I meant in general, you weren’t sounding like that at all.
I figured you meant in general, but I wasn’t sure. And don’t sweat it, comrade.
take THAT tankie, a “genocide” with no credible evidence supporting it aside from actual propaganda (holodomor) is exactly like a genocide with a wealth of evidence supporting it because the people doing it kept records on it (holocaust)!
Don’t we have evidence from the Holomodor?
Yes. Evidence that the nazis invented that word to downplay their real genocide
read “fraud, famine, and fascism”
Don’t be ridiculous, I am sure that antisocialists can instantly name the Soviet equivalent to the Wannsee Conference.
Just kidding. They have no fucking clue what the Wannsee Conference was.
Liberals: famous non-purveyors of genocide
Try telling them that Washington’s armies, agencies, and client states have massacred more than twenty million people since 1945 alone. I’m sure that you’ll get nothing but the deepest concern and compassion from them.
Not.
I have never seen a communist, even deranged ultras, even insinuate that the Cambodian Genocide never happened.
Karyn also happened…. It was just the SS who used it for propaganda against the Soviets.
The Homoldor also happened. But it wasn’t some targeted genocide, it was the devastating culmination of many different factors that exacerbated the horrific famine that swept Belarus, Ukraine, and Southwest Russia.
The term ‘Holodomor’ was coined with the intent of promoting the famine–genocide conspiracy theory. It’s more accurate to call it the (Soviet) famine of 1932–33.
I agree and I do know about the origins of the word, I was just saying that in the frame of the argument, that yes, the “Homoldor” happened as in a large amount of people died of famine in that time frame.
political compass brain worms
There is no Uyghur Genocide. Do you know how we know there isn’t? Because multiple muslim countries are working with the Chinese and haven’t said a word about it. People just post random pictures of prisoners or photos from decades ago and act like it’s ongoing.
I got into a fight with some noeliberal dronie on Discord because when the douchebag accused me of denying the Uyghur genocide, I responded with “you can’t deny something that isn’t real in the first place” and he went apeshit and suspended my account from a Destiny 2 leaks Discord server.
So much for freeze peach.
at least you’ll be surprised when Final Shape comes out 🤷🏼
Hopefully. I’m beyond excited.
Last time I discussed it, the person I was arguing with started going off on some tangent about how China had helped Biden steal the country from Trump and all this was done so China could start killing people in the USA as well. These people are nut jobs with no ability to think critically
they really think nazis are “auth center” not right wing, the brainworms are real.
What’s “auth center”?
Internet nonsense
Nothing because polcomp is a nonsense
But if i was to hit myself in head really hard to get into that mindset, oh fuck that hurt…
concussion mode on
Demsocs
concussion mode off
Its a political position as described by the Political Compass website. The Political Compass is an attempt by to map polotocal ideologies onto 2 axis (economic, social) rather than 1 (left-right). The primary complaint (other than reducing politics to two axis is reductive) tends to be that it describes fascism as Authortian-Center (auth center). Their justification was that the economic controls levied by fascist governments is neither leftist nor liberal (free market) in nature, for example they described Hitler as (3,10). This test got picked up by the online alt-right discourse as a way to legitimize their views in places like r/PoliticalCompassMemes.
They’re parroting the National “Socialism” line.
Indeed
I agree with most of the comment section saying the Holomodor could not count as a genocide as it was not somethong the USSR intended. But it definitely is something. Stalin let millions of people starve not only out of his incompetence but out of not wanting to admit it was even happening because it would give him a bad image
Stalin let millions of people starve not only out of his incompetence but out of not wanting to admit it was even happening because it would give him a bad image
I’m sorry but this is an absurd way of interpreting history. No state is ever entirely in the hands of a socially insecure egotist. A state is how whichever class is ruling exercises its power.
In the case of the U.S.S.R., Moscow distributed millions of tons of food from reserves when the famine was officially confirmed.
