It’s kinda funny when Ukrainian fascists had promoted idiotic view that USSR=Russia and Ukraine was an occupied country instead of an equal part, and now meet consequences of this view.
Yeah, leave it to a Ukrainian flag username to erase the heroism of the Ukrainians in the Red Army in order to fellate the Americans
Spitting on the graves of antifascist heroes to honor not-Hitler is a liberal tradition
Liberals erased actual Ukrainian history with random fascists who committed massacres for a few years before dying.
And not just random Massacares Russians either, what they did was the Holocaust against poles and Jews. No wonder so many poles hate Ukrainians so much.
The Ukrainian government apologized to Israel, Poland, and Germany after their German ambassador said “Bandera didn’t commit any massacres. And if he did, it was justified because he was stopping Russian aggression.”
They said he didn’t represent the views of the government even though he’s literally the ambassador lol
their grandfathers would shoot them with a smile
Really funny to see all the MAGA patriots going to bat for the Soviet Union in the replies
That’s only because Trump is doing it. If Biden did it they’ll call him a Stalinist
For sure, hilarious nonetheless
bizarro horseshoe theory
If it ends with some of them seeing through anticommunist propaganda, it would be very funny.
No shot, they are doing it purely out of reflex because Trump said it
It won’t. They’ll just use this as a “gotcha lib owned with facts and logick” and forget about it in 5 seconds.
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The consequences of Orange Man Bad Thought.
TBF the “America single-handedly defeated the Nazis with the English as a goofy sidekick and Russia somewhere off to the side”
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Voice of America lmao literal CIA source.
hahaha i caught that too
Certified as an unbiased source according to media bias fact check dot com.
‘yeah the other dudes contributed i swear but the soviets got 76% of the germans so you can say they did some things’
They only did 80% of the work!
‘yeah but i gave him a pencil so i basically did the whole project’ <- a sentence that would rightly get your ass kicked
Real “group project but one person does 80% of the work, including the most difficult parts” vibes
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With straight up US propaganda from VOA
Materiel, that’s the lady from cottage the cowardly dog, right?
(My phone autocorrected courage to cottage but I’m leaving it because I think it’s funny as fuck)CIA not stopping the revisionism grind as usual.
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Guys give him a break. He’s Forbes’ Top Economic Thinker. It’s not his fault he’s stupid.
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You use the flag of a country that openly celebrates a Nazi collaborator. Sit this one out and think about that
The United States beat Hitler with the help of Captain America, Namor the Sub-Mariner, the Human Torch and The Whizzer
stalin shouldn’t have stopped at berlin
Ukr flag emoji
The guy is doubling down by trying to say Ukraine and Belarus lost more combatants than Russia and also Germany wouldn’t have been defeated without the US and UK.
Yeah except the Nazis were already retreating from the eastern front by the time D-Day happened. The US and UK were instrumental in getting the Nazis out of France and Italy, but the troops marching into Berlin were Soviets.
This guy is a PhD and works for Forbes? Quality intellectuals that America has crafted. We have our own self-replicating ghoul class who aren’t even cynical even more, they legit believe all the ghoul propaganda.
the allies certainly helped with the defeat for sure but comintern did all the heavy lifting
The allies only “helped” when the help was no longer necessary. Stalin had been begging for a second front for years at this point, and the cowards only do something when it looks like the soviets are gonna roll over all of Europe.
Jacques Pauwels has a good book detailing both how the Allies’ second front was indeed an attempt at capitalizing off of an inevitable Soviet victory (and mitigating Soviet influence in Western Europe in the aftermath), and also how little resistance the Allies faced on the Western Front because German soldiers were terrified of the Soviets and fled west to surrender/be protected by to the allies.
“They didn’t win until the second front was opened” is an incredible thing to say when you know that “second front” opened in 1944 lmao. Looking at nazi Germany after Kursk and going “no they’re definitely still winning” is a great bit. Goebbels would have been impressed.
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I can’t view this bird brain thread without an account so I’m just gonna assume that his points are nothing of importance
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Including the Ukraine, which this man has in his pfp. smh this anti ukraine man is doing putins work for him smh.
It actually gets really ghoulish:
1/ First, the Soviet Union included, not only russia, but another 14 countries. Ukraine alone lost over 8 million people in WW2. As a percentage of population, Belorussia lost 25% and Ukraine 16% of its population, while russia only 12%.
I think he got those numbers by including civilian genocide victims.
2/ Second, just because the Soviet Union had the most causalities, doesn’t mean that they won the war. The reason Soviets had such large casualties is because they used people as cannon folder. Something russia is still doing today.
And doing more apologia for literal Nazi genocide of Slavs to own the ruskies
3/ Third, the Red Army was poorly equipped and heavily relied on the US support. Through the lendlease, the US has provided over 400,000 trucks, 14,000 airplanes, 13,000 tanks, and more.
Now list total tanks, and maybe who drove them.
If dumping military equipment was a magic spell to make the side with the richest sponsors win, then what’s going on in Ukraine?
4/ Forth, Nazis were defeated only after the second front was open. Nazis had to fight against the US, UK, and all their allies.
So, it is plain stupid to attribute victory over Hitler to russia.
The front that never would have opened were it not for Molotov-Ribbentrop, which I’m sure this same prick will call Nazi collaboration (unlike Bandera, who was just doing what he had to in order to own the ruskies)
Such a fucking waste of space
When you’re entire knowledge of the eastern front comes from watching Enemy at the Gates
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Now list total tanks, and maybe who drove them.
“Altogether, as many as 84,070 T-34s are thought to have been built, plus 13,170 self-propelled guns built on T-34 chassis. It was the most-produced tank of the Second World War, and the second most-produced tank of all time, after its successor, the T-54/55 series.”
Damn didn’t know they were building all those T-34s in Kentucky.
“The Soviet Union churned out over 36,000 Ilyushin Il-2 bombers during WWII, making it the most-produced aircraft of the war.”
Oh wow, I guess Georgia was busy cranking out IL-2s as well.
I saw a number that said lendlease contributed about 5% to the USSR war material. Which is not nothing, but like… 5% of 76% is still above 70%, if that’s how you want to measure things.
Whereas if you removed the USSR’s contribution to the war effort…
4/ Forth, Nazis were defeated only after the second front was open. Nazis had to fight against the US, UK, and all their allies.
So, it is plain stupid to attribute victory over Hitler to russia.
The front that never would have opened were it not for Molotov-Ribbentrop
Why is that? I thought that agreement had as only function to delay the German attack on the USSR. Why would it lead to a second front?
Let me rephrase: The western front would have opened either way, but the War on Two Fronts situation would have been radically diminished if the Nazis invaded the Soviets earlier, as it was openly the plan of western reactionaries to pit the Nazis against the Soviets and then deal with whoever won after (hence their resistance to an antifascist alliance). The Pact (1939) was useful in stalling for time in an absolute sense, certainly, but it also helped prevent the Soviets from being effectively the sole focus of the Nazis (who, in the meantime and in their need for expansion, invaded other countries, including Britain in 1940), as Operation Barbarossa only started in 1941 (still earlier than the Soviets planned, but a delay nonetheless).
So my point is that the strain of handling these conflicts simultaneously was one of the major factors in the Nazis being defeated, but westerners were actively planning on preventing such a situation from arising, hence a need for the Pact to stall the Nazis (along with the more broad use of industrial development, etc.)
Our big wet comrade.
Our Big Wet Comrade gave a speech about the bourgeoisie
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Literally overheard 2 guys arguing about this in a parking lot just now lol
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I mean, the USSR did, which included a lot of Ukrainians such as Lyudmila Pavlichenko.
Westerners and now recently modern Ukraine has been pushing hard to separate all Ukrainian history from the USSR aside from being “oppressed.” So naturally the average burger will think USSR = Russia = Russia did everything good or bad in WWII.
The same USSR that all the NAFO dipshits and ukronazis were frothing at the mouth in glee as they celebrated Finland’s role in ww2 in shooting soldiers of the Red Army, many of whom were Ukrainian as well.
