• Toneswirly@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Unintentionally stumbled on the truth of capitalism; you need an underclass to run the whole engine

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      4 months ago

      It’s not needed.

      It’s just needed to provide fantastic profits to the owners.

      You can definitely have capitalism that pays a living wage, it just cuts into billionaires’ profits.

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        Agreed, but keep in mind that within a capitalist system, the owners will always be fighting to take the working classes money with their profits.

        The working class must always be vigilant and read to fight for their wages. There is no rest in a capitalist system.

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        Hierarchies are a necessary component to keep the Capitalist murder-cult running. You cannot maintain global domination without class-based social hierarchies.

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          Hierarchies are a necessary component to keep the Capitalist murder-cult any human society running. You cannot maintain global domination literally any organization of humans without class-based social hierarchies.

          Ftfy. Abolishing class is a utopian pipe dream. A good society allows for class mobility and tilts the social scales to make life more tolerable for the lower classes.

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        Even with a living wage, workers are still the underclass, and owners the overclass. As long as class dynamics exist, and class interests conflict, the class with more power will dominate the system overall in their favor.

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          4 months ago

          That’s why government should be the most powerful class, which keeps the ownership class in check via strong regulation.

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            Government isn’t a class, really, unless it owns the Means of Production in some fashion. Government takes on the characteristics of whatever class is in power, as long as there is Capitalism Government will serve the bourgeoisie.

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                It’s not pedantry, you have Utopian thinking. You believe the less powerful can wield the state to suppress those with more power, simply because it’s “just” for that to happen. That kind of moralistic utopinaism, ie belief that because things are “right” that they will be, without actually seeking to understand mechanics, is counterintuitive.

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                  It’s not utopianism, it’s be central premise of democracy, and has been successfully done numerous times. This isn’t some radical new idea. It’s how our existing government is supposed to function.

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                    That’s not the central premise of democracy. The central premise of democracy is majority rule, that’s not what presently exists in the US. The US is not a direct democracy, it’s a representative republic specifically designed to not upset the power dynamic of Capitalists over Workers.

                    Were you under the impression that the Capitalists that formed the structure of the US did so along the lines of the Workers, so that the Working Class may have power? I’m sorry to tell you, but that has never happened, and any gains the Working Class has made (such as under FDR) have been absolutely torn away over time, thanks the Class dynamics influencing government that you ignore.

                    I’m sorry, but I’m not a Utopian like yourself, I focus on reality and existing conditions.

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      4 months ago

      Feels like skooby-do pulling back the mask of capitalism to reveal that it’s all just medieval peasants and serfs lol

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      4 months ago

      I wonder if the capitalist perspective isn’t driven by the perception of ready supply/demand of people that will, at least initially, apply to take shit jobs/compensation.