You know what’s baffling about this take is that at least mask off nazis have a very easy consistent non mental gymnastics take on it: “yes, they burned trans literature and it was good that they did so.” Fascinating, now face the wall. I don’t know what kind of pretzeling this moronic take requires. In fact, not only did Magnus Hirschfield’s institute research queerness and transness, they undertook the first gender confirmation surgery. The woman in question, Dora Richter, is presumed killed during the attack on the institute or in custody after it. All of this information is incredibly easy to verify.
I think the terf logic here is that it’s slightly more socially acceptable to just erase trans people than to be outright on the side of nazis? Posy Parker doesn’t seem to mind either way lol, but also the cultural awareness of queer people as holocaust victims still seems new and relatively small, so perhaps they see it as a defensible hill to die on.
I think JK Rowling is the type of transphobe that wants to pretend transness is new. Understanding that Nazis were burning books about trans people does more than put TERFs on the same side as nazis, it also means trans people have been here a lot longer than whatever it is she blames.
Oh yeah, erasing of the history is something that all queer people are subject to, because that history tells us that we’ve always been here and are perfectly natural to the world, which transphobes especially just cannot have.
she’s reposted a thread someone very normal made about how Magnus was actually in cahoots with the nazis because he was such a eugenics fanboy, or something
Was he? It doesn’t justify anything either way, but I just don’t know if I should mad about her pretending to care about eugenics or mad about her making such a vile false accusation.
it absolutely doesn’t excuse the fucking nazis, jk & co are trying to link trans ideology with eugenics, unethical experiments, seething about the children, it’s just that same line about how she felt like she would have been transed today
I said that I agree with that. I was asking if he was one or if they are lying and saying he was one. His foundational role in helping trans people obviously transcends whatever shitty opinions about genetics he might have had. I was asking if it was a lie or not.
The first chapter of Heike Bauer’s The Hirschfeld Archives: Violence, Death, and Modern Queer Culture (available on libgen) addresses the problematic context Hirschfeld emerged from. The tl;dr almost to the point of distortion is that he was following the medical trends of the time, which included eugenics, but his conception of it doesn’t seem to have been racialized. Bauer does explore the fact that he did come in contact with those kinds of ideas, though never commented on them in either way (publicly, at least).
So it’s a misrepresentation? Most doctors follow the trend in areas they aren’t specialized in and he took a mild(er) form of accepting the tread?
I’ll read that eventually (probably in a couple days, but not now). Thank you for providing a citation, I should read something about this guy regardless (given has influence and import).
The way the fascists are framing it, yes it’s a misrepresentation. His interest in it seemed to mainly stem from his focus on public health (before his pivot to sexology) and saw it as a means to that end.
You know what’s baffling about this take is that at least mask off nazis have a very easy consistent non mental gymnastics take on it: “yes, they burned trans literature and it was good that they did so.” Fascinating, now face the wall. I don’t know what kind of pretzeling this moronic take requires. In fact, not only did Magnus Hirschfield’s institute research queerness and transness, they undertook the first gender confirmation surgery. The woman in question, Dora Richter, is presumed killed during the attack on the institute or in custody after it. All of this information is incredibly easy to verify.
She’s probably operating under the assumption that trans people were invented in 2016.
I think the terf logic here is that it’s slightly more socially acceptable to just erase trans people than to be outright on the side of nazis? Posy Parker doesn’t seem to mind either way lol, but also the cultural awareness of queer people as holocaust victims still seems new and relatively small, so perhaps they see it as a defensible hill to die on.
I think JK Rowling is the type of transphobe that wants to pretend transness is new. Understanding that Nazis were burning books about trans people does more than put TERFs on the same side as nazis, it also means trans people have been here a lot longer than whatever it is she blames.
Oh yeah, erasing of the history is something that all queer people are subject to, because that history tells us that we’ve always been here and are perfectly natural to the world, which transphobes especially just cannot have.
she’s reposted a thread someone very normal made about how Magnus was actually in cahoots with the nazis because he was such a eugenics fanboy, or something
Was he? It doesn’t justify anything either way, but I just don’t know if I should mad about her pretending to care about eugenics or mad about her making such a vile false accusation.
it absolutely doesn’t excuse the fucking nazis, jk & co are trying to link trans ideology with eugenics, unethical experiments, seething about the children, it’s just that same line about how she felt like she would have been transed today
it’s disgusting
I said that I agree with that. I was asking if he was one or if they are lying and saying he was one. His foundational role in helping trans people obviously transcends whatever shitty opinions about genetics he might have had. I was asking if it was a lie or not.
The first chapter of Heike Bauer’s The Hirschfeld Archives: Violence, Death, and Modern Queer Culture (available on libgen) addresses the problematic context Hirschfeld emerged from. The tl;dr almost to the point of distortion is that he was following the medical trends of the time, which included eugenics, but his conception of it doesn’t seem to have been racialized. Bauer does explore the fact that he did come in contact with those kinds of ideas, though never commented on them in either way (publicly, at least).
So it’s a misrepresentation? Most doctors follow the trend in areas they aren’t specialized in and he took a mild(er) form of accepting the tread?
I’ll read that eventually (probably in a couple days, but not now). Thank you for providing a citation, I should read something about this guy regardless (given has influence and import).
The way the fascists are framing it, yes it’s a misrepresentation. His interest in it seemed to mainly stem from his focus on public health (before his pivot to sexology) and saw it as a means to that end.
How would a comrade frame it? Feel free to tell me to just shut up until I read it btw. I realize the question might be answered by that.
I just don’t get how that decouples things and am curious. As in I don’t understand the difference between public health eugenics and other eugenics.
It’s all just eugenics at the end of the day.
Literally jk Rowling is very eggy
It’s the same tactic transphobes use when they harp on about John Money and David Reimer.
Back then, there were unfortunately a lot of otherwise very smart people who were in favor of eugenics.
Riding the high of Darwin’s revelations and pushing too far?