• EdibleFriend@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Has anybody claimed responsibility for this yet? This doesn’t sound like the Ukraine. They hit strategic shit.

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      8 months ago

      Not seeing anything yet but it can be hard to get accurate news reporting from a country that kills subversive journalists and is in a war. I think most are assuming it’s either an internal or external paramilitary group related to the war in Ukraine, or domestic terrorists related to the recent elections, I think targeting a concert is more likely the latter but we’ll see which group takes responsibility if any.

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          8 months ago

          Likely despite US intelligence warning about imminent terror attacks in Russia earlier this month.

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          Maria Zacharova (Kremlin) seems to think the most important thing right now is that the whole world condemns the attack, which I find to be a kind of weird priority since the thing just happened and we have no fucking clue what is going on.

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            You can still condemn it even if you don’t know exactly who’s behind it.

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              Absolutely! It wasn’t my intention to insinuate that you cannot. My point is that she was very quick to come out and demand it be done. Of course terror attacks should be condemned. All I’m saying is that the Kremlin has some weird priorities when there’s an ongoing attack. Almost like they’re trying to control the discussion and steer it towards something else.

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              Yeah not an extemely useful propaganda plot device at all then. You’re not with the terrorists, are you? You better stand up and clap your hands and stomp your feet in sympathy.

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            Maria Zacharova (Kremlin) seems to think the most important thing right now is that the whole world condemns the attack

            nah I don’t condemn anything. Either it was some pro-ukranian group (fair, bring the war to russia!), or more likely, some covert op from the fsb so that this russian cunt in charge can order a new drafting…

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              It is never fair to murder civilians. I don’t blame Ukraine if there is terrorism and insurgency due to the occupation of eastern Ukraine, that’s firmly Putin’s fault. But that also doesn’t make it ok.

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                And suddenly here you are standing together in sympathetic unity with The Kremlins. It’s hard making people see propaganda when they have become so desensitized to it

                Let’s hope Putin will find some way to finally stop the forces of evil defiling his land after this.

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              fair, bring the war to russia

              ah yes, “bringing war to russia” now means shooting innocents, because responding to terrorism with even more terrorism works so well

              gotta fuckin love reddit

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                gotta fuckin love reddit

                this is lemmy.

                ah yes, “bringing war to russia” now means shooting innocents, because responding to terrorism with even more terrorism works so well

                Yes innocents die in war, thats what happens. It’s cruel, it’s not fair but this can happen if you attack other countries, although I don’t believe that this is caused by ukranians…

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                  Yes innocents die in war, thats what happens. It’s cruel, it’s not fair but this can happen if you attack other countries

                  I’d love to see you say that if someone gunned down your compatriots. Or better yet, your family. Surely your condescending Realpolitik tone wouldn’t falter, right?

                  although I don’t believe that this is caused by ukranians…

                  Neither do I. ISIS has taken responsibility for this.

                  this is lemmy.

                  Quaks like a duck.

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                    I’d love to see you say that if someone gunned down your compatriots. Or better yet, your family. Surely your condescending Realpolitik tone wouldn’t falter, right?

                    Like parts of my family we lost contact with in Ukraine because of Russia? So pardon me if I don’t have that much sympathy for Russia.

                    Fuck! Because of your username I now have a strong desire for some nice halva, didn’t eat some in ages. Damn you!

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        The article mentions the US warned of an imminent attack last month and the Russian state dismissed it. Russia also has a history of utilizing false flag operations to start shit, so I’m leaning towards that atm (before more details come out)

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          Yea, but to stay in power all he has to do is rig the elections, so that theory doesn’t really make sense. I am not saying that a false flag attack is out of the question, but if it is a false flag, the reason for doing it is probably not to keep Putin in power.

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        That and Kiev/Kyiv have been enlightening since this whole thing kicked off. I’ve got a couple Russian language textbooks but think it’s time to update to some Ukrainian

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      Russia is not against doing false flag terrorist operations. That is how Putin came to power.

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      This would have the opposite effect for Ukraine. It would cause Russians to actually rally around the flag and be more pro war. The Ukrainian strategy has been to just kill Russian combatants and hope they kill enough that Russians themselves start protesting the war on the home front.

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      US intelligence wanted them weeks ago about an impending attack

      Gunmen went in armed, met zero resistance, were busy for over an hour, no police ever showed up.

      IS claimed responsibility pretty much immediately.

      Putin ignored all that and obviously blamed Ukraine because of course.

      This is no false flag operation, Russia would never.

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        Poor Russians, always the target of unprovoked attacks. How did the US know beforehand anyway? Super sus!