Former president Donald Trump pleaded not guilty Thursday to charges that he conspired to overturn the results of the 2020 election, appearing in the federal courthouse that sits just blocks away from where his angry supporters stormed the Capitol building in an effort to keep him in power.

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      Fuck the electoral college too. Clinton had 3 million more votes, she should have won.

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          At least Comey had good motivations. I don’t think he anticipated the consequences and was naive at how rotten America was.

          I don’t think we should shame someone for trying to uphold our collective (claimed) American values.

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          She wouldn’t have been any better than drumpf

          Hard disagree.

          Most likely, Hillary just wouldn’t have accomplished much of anything (and not so much for lack of agenda or effort but because of the unprecedented amount of rightwing/conservative resistance put up for everything she would have attempted. But at worst, it would just have been business as usual for another 4 years. Trump has actually turned the country, the executive branch, the judicial branch, national safety, the economy, and the environment into a continent-sized dumpster fire that will burn for decades. Hillary wouldn’t have done that.

          Hillary’s greatest sin was coming into the 2016 election as if she’d already won…as if she -deserved- to win…as if it was pre-ordained…and that really rubbed people the wrong way. Being a woman didn’t help - half this country are a few IQ points away from neanderthals who don’t believe women are capable of leading a nation, so that didn’t help either.

          The democratic party also deserves much of the blame- they were going to shit on Bernie and promote Hillary regardless of what the common voters wanted…because they had the power to do that and they were willing to exercise that power. So fuck them too.

          (if it’s not obvious, I thought Bernie was the clear superior choice also)

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                  Sorry, you forgot to disparage a group of people this time, so we actually can’t play a card. But don’t let that stop you from believing that everyone who disagrees with you is a brainwashed sheep or whatever you tell yourself. CERTAINLY don’t start to wonder what if everyone disagreeing with you might actually just be because your opinions are dumb, that’s a dark road to go down! 😂

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          So you are pissed at Hillary for not winning but then say she would have been the same as trump. Wut

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          Really? After 8 years of witnessing Trump being a politician you think that Hilary would have been no better? I doubt she would have ended up facing the DoJ.

          I too wanted Bernie.

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              Lol get out of here with that shit. We are on a thread about trump pleading not guilty to conspiring to overturn an election. Just as bad in her own way. Fuck all the way off

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          Be reasonable. I supported Bernie too, but I don’t think Hillary would have plotted an insurrection…

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          Also wanted Bernie, and fuck the DNC for propping Hillary up the way they did, which yeah basically handed the presidency to Trump on a silver platter… but you’re out of your fucking mind if you thing she’d have been just as bad. She would have been -okay-, which is orders of magnitude better than Agent Orange.

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      @donut4ever @jeffw

      And fuck the DNC for manipulating shit so Bernie lost out on being the candidate instead.

      This whole motherfucking thing could have been avoided if the DNC had just kept their fucking machinations to themselves … cause Bernie would have won.

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    Of course he did. He’ll want a trial which will both stretch out the process towards the election, and give him the chance to put on a show for his throng.

    I hope he ends up in a cell to minimize any further damage.

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      No cameras in fed courtrooms is a blessing and a curse. He can’t treat the room like a stage, but he can say anything he wants about what happened in the courtroom because his base won’t read.

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        The thing is, he can say what he wants out of the courtroom, but what is said in the courtroom matters most.

        So far, his lawyers seem to be putting together a TV legal defense. As in, it meant to win over TV audiences, but won’t do jack shit in a courtroom.

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          “And I told the judge I’m a very stable genius with very smart friends and I’m not guilty, it’s as simple as that. And the judge laughed and said they know, we should go out for a big mac after this” And cult45 cheeers

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            Sadly, it’s more likely that Trump will claim that the Judge is deep state and then do some stochastic terrorism.

            Depending on how that goes, Trump might end up waiting in jail for the trial to commence…

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              I get a lot of political spam emails. You best believe that they’re full of fiery rhetoric. They’re not calling for violence, or anything but campaign donations, but they are certainly full of “deep state”, “fake news”, “election interference”, “unjust indictment”, etc.

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          Eh, if he goes to prison but still gets enough electoral votes he can still be president. Being a felon is not a bar to running for president, just to voting for one. So a TV defense is quite possibly all he’ll need.

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            Except if he goes to prison for attempting to overthrow the US government, then the 14th amendment applies, and he cannot legally hold any office, or even be listed on the ballot.

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              Yes, if the January 6th charges stick that applies. But just going to prison isn’t enough, and not all of the charges are directly insurrection-related. I’m hopeful it will apply, but I’m not going to count on it! I’m still voting against him, even though I live in NY so the chances he wins my state’s electoral votes are quite low.

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      Trump the candidate and Trump the defendant have different goals.

      Trump the candidate will explain this is the deep state Biden admin curtailing his free speech.

      Trump the defendant will have to defend himself from charges that aren’t related to free speech. So my guess is he’ll let them find him guilty (good for Trump the candidate) and hope that all the elections staff quitting means his people will get in and fix it for him.

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    It’s like he can walk out on the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and still get elected.

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      Looking forward to the GA indictment where they say he’ll get a mugshot taken. Not sure if that’s changed or not.

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        Sadly, it probably doesn’t matter what law is on the books about it. It’s a southern red state, and like it or not he is a former president and a white man of influence.

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          Fulton County Sheriff Pat Labat is on record, even with Fox News today, saying that unless someone tells him different, if locally arraigned Trump will have his fingerprints and mugshot taken, so there’s a tiny amount of hope there.

          edit: and why would it be a problem anyway? Apparently he got arrested today for his supporters, so he can go that extra mile and get a mugshot for them too.

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            Are mugshots public record in Fulton County? In many places they are not released unless the person is on the lam and there’s a need to release a recent image.

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              I cannot be certain, but found this blurb

              “All arrest data including mugshots are categorized under public records and in compliance with Georgia Open Records Act, are made available to citizens on request.”

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    What does a habitual liar do when called on his lies besides lie some more.

    Keep on digging Donnie, you’ll hit Chinese soil eventually.

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    I have to admire the composure of the judge who did not bust out laughing when he said it.