A Florida jury on Monday found banana company Chiquita Brands International liable for financing the Colombian paramilitary group Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia (AUC).
I don’t know – It feels like we should be able to use the internet to make grass roots new and hard to corrupt political movements but I don’t see that happening at all.
There’s also the 250 year empire rule which we’re at now against stability with the current system.
I honestly have no answer other than a “vote or die” but we all know that doesn’t work.
The answer is you vote or we lose democracy. That’s the simple end-all be-all answer here.
Biden might not be what every single leftist wants, but I guaranfuckingtee that it won’t just be illegal aliens in his camps. It will be you as well.
I personally don’t want to live in Gilead. I don’t want to fight in a civil war. I’d rather much prefer we vote in Biden, let the Silent/Boomers die off, so we can fix this shit.
Force all companies to be worker-owned cooperatives, Richard Wolff-style.
Also the stock market doesn’t really need to exist. It’s just gambling with extra steps, and the people who win at that game end up having control over way more than one person should ever have. Also goes along with the above, which is complete worker ownership over companies.
I mostly expect people to just not believe me when I claim I coined a viral phrase. I actually keep links to the source and stuff. Credit or none, I’m happy about it every time I see someone say it! I imagine it’s how people feel who make open source software and this mentality is what defeats the capitalist notion that nobody would contribute for free.
If we weren’t so fixed on concentrating wealth and hoarding tools and IP, we could pretty well eliminate poverty. More can be made when everyone can access tools to be productive. There’s just always the issue of how people won’t CARE to nicely maintain things they aren’t claiming ownership of. High economy of scale tools like flexographic presses need to be carefully maintained and it’s best done with personal interest at stake it seems.
isn’t that the point? The corruption has tricked us to believing they can regulate themselves or are even not amoral about social issues. Companies make profit – that is their singular goal. The laws and regulations control their behavior, not ‘good will’ or whatever we pretend motivates individuals
Money existed before capitalism. Capitalism started in the 1700s. Money far predates capitalism. Plus, my comment is that capitalism must be regulated by outside regulators like governments. Conservatives have pushed deregulation forever and it’s made things worse. Capitalism worked far better in the heavy regulation days after WW2.
In this case, I can believe that Chiquita didn’t set out to finance the AUC, but was unfortunate in that their banana plantations fell into AUC-controlled territory, and therefore were extorted for protection money.
It’s like if I owned an Italian restaurant, the mafia comes in and extorts me for protection money, then the feds come and arrest me for financing the mafia. What was I supposed to do?
edit: I didn’t know about Chiquita. Thanks for the replies and info!
No, it’s like if you owned a massive chain of Italian restaurants that notoriously exploited people, and you were actively paying the mafia to intimidate your workers and to bust unions.
The judge saw through Chiquita’s ridiculous fabrication, I’m disappointed to see you parroting it here.
Can we finally agree capitalism doesn’t give a fuck about anything but profits and therefore CANNOT self regulate?
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end citizens united – corporations aren’t people
end lobbying so shell oil doesn’t have 10000000X time and money to affect the government as a person does.
Quit assigning good/bad labels to companies that operate within the law and furious pursue laws that make us more equal, richer and safer overall
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profit
Yeah, but how are you going to realistically do that?
I’d love to know. Because I hate citizens united. But what do you propose people do about this?
I don’t know – It feels like we should be able to use the internet to make grass roots new and hard to corrupt political movements but I don’t see that happening at all.
There’s also the 250 year empire rule which we’re at now against stability with the current system.
I honestly have no answer other than a “vote or die” but we all know that doesn’t work.
The answer is you vote or we lose democracy. That’s the simple end-all be-all answer here.
Biden might not be what every single leftist wants, but I guaranfuckingtee that it won’t just be illegal aliens in his camps. It will be you as well.
I personally don’t want to live in Gilead. I don’t want to fight in a civil war. I’d rather much prefer we vote in Biden, let the Silent/Boomers die off, so we can fix this shit.
I can almost smell the Gen X coming off your grim resignation to boomer die off as a new beginning. We’ve waited impotently for so long.
Hah, I’m actually a millennial, but it’s happening to the tune of 5,500 boomers a day. Even more for the silent gen.
I know its someone’s grandma or granpa but 924,000 is an exciting number.
yeah but that just kicks the can down the road, not that I disagree or anything. I don’t know of any real solution.
Okay so what’s your option then?
Because sitting out wont do anything, and acting like nothing is happening for people is also not doing any good.
ending capitalism. they won’t let us otherwise.
I said realistically. That’s not realistic at all. It’d be great to have a post scarcity economy. I’d love it. But that’s not realistic.
african countries are doing this right now. we have a consistent method already.
all you need is actually wanting it. doing nothing is not gonna fix anything.
Something Something profits!
Force all companies to be worker-owned cooperatives, Richard Wolff-style.
Also the stock market doesn’t really need to exist. It’s just gambling with extra steps, and the people who win at that game end up having control over way more than one person should ever have. Also goes along with the above, which is complete worker ownership over companies.
We’re ready for suggestions!
Jon Stewart had an excellent monologue about the myth of corporate morality yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWVbZ0WQ3s8
I love how they gave Jon Stewart his show back and he’s been using it to burn every single thing he can, including them.
Wait, he’s back on the Daily Show?
Yes, but only Mondays. He’s been hitting it out of the park though.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://www.piped.video/watch?v=TWVbZ0WQ3s8
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Capitalism does not return the shopping cart.
That’s beautiful
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I just kinda put together recent adages that make sense together. Sometimes I feel like I think the way most people expect AI does.
I’m the guy who came up with the phrase “if buying isn’t owning, pirating isn’t stealing.”
I might have a thing for putting 2 and 2 together to get 5.
Simplicity is powerful. I’ve mumbled a few things that turned out to be far more meaningful than I intended.
Not you, though. A Lazer of human consciousness, that’s you!
😁
I’m pretty super flattered right now!
I mostly expect people to just not believe me when I claim I coined a viral phrase. I actually keep links to the source and stuff. Credit or none, I’m happy about it every time I see someone say it! I imagine it’s how people feel who make open source software and this mentality is what defeats the capitalist notion that nobody would contribute for free.
Dad once told me that money can’t buy happiness, but poverty can buy misery. Whatever that’s worth.
Good job, yo. And thanks. We need to share our fresh, creative ideas.
If we weren’t so fixed on concentrating wealth and hoarding tools and IP, we could pretty well eliminate poverty. More can be made when everyone can access tools to be productive. There’s just always the issue of how people won’t CARE to nicely maintain things they aren’t claiming ownership of. High economy of scale tools like flexographic presses need to be carefully maintained and it’s best done with personal interest at stake it seems.
it’s not like people would just lie on the internet, is it?
(Mango has an unpleasant history)
Heard, but my experience was positive.
Appreciate you looking out.
isn’t that the point? The corruption has tricked us to believing they can regulate themselves or are even not amoral about social issues. Companies make profit – that is their singular goal. The laws and regulations control their behavior, not ‘good will’ or whatever we pretend motivates individuals
It’s the definition of capitalism
It’s money. Every other form of economy has also exploited people for gain.
Money existed before capitalism. Capitalism started in the 1700s. Money far predates capitalism. Plus, my comment is that capitalism must be regulated by outside regulators like governments. Conservatives have pushed deregulation forever and it’s made things worse. Capitalism worked far better in the heavy regulation days after WW2.
Yes, thank you explaining what I said. Mucho appreciato
So we’re just supposed to stop coming up with better ideas?
If that’s what you want to do, go for it. I didn’t say anything like that.
I’m just pointing out it’s not capitalism.
In this case, I can believe that Chiquita didn’t set out to finance the AUC, but was unfortunate in that their banana plantations fell into AUC-controlled territory, and therefore were extorted for protection money.It’s like if I owned an Italian restaurant, the mafia comes in and extorts me for protection money, then the feds come and arrest me for financing the mafia. What was I supposed to do?edit: I didn’t know about Chiquita. Thanks for the replies and info!
No, it’s like if you owned a massive chain of Italian restaurants that notoriously exploited people, and you were actively paying the mafia to intimidate your workers and to bust unions.
The judge saw through Chiquita’s ridiculous fabrication, I’m disappointed to see you parroting it here.
Chiquita / United Fruit have long been involved in oppressing and destabilizing south America for profit.
There is enough proof in the trials to show they were not unhappily contributing to paramilitary groups.
Chiquita has been bad for a long, long time. Even among the banana companies, they’re famously evil.
Not pay the thugs?
It’s a false analogy. Chiquita were paying the paramilitary to do its bidding.
Here is a more in-depth article.
Enjoy your burned out restaurant…edit: I retract my comment due to prior ignorance about Chiquita’s corporate behavior.