Holding electeds even marginally accountable is bad acktuallllyyy … This is just so exhausting.

  • TomBombadil [he/him, she/her]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    71
    ·
    4 months ago

    Fuckin purity testttt scream the libs.

    Like the rules she allegedly broke are so easy to follow. Do the opposite of supporting Israel. Not like the rules are “personally destroy the state of Israel” or “kill Benjamin Netenyahu”

    Just don’t support giving them more weapons. Don’t support making it illegal to be against giving them weapons.

    Truly an easy bar to clear for anyone who has any morals. Yes a purity test if you will. Purity tests are necessary and important. I ain’t drinking water that isn’t some standard of pure (“wow just because there’s visible shit in your water you won’t drink it what a purity tester”) and I won’t vote for someone or endorse someone who isn’t some standard of pure (“wow just because she doesn’t mind a lillll genocide”)

    • impartial_fanboy [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      46
      ·
      4 months ago

      I love (by which I mean hate) how ‘purity test’ has just come to refer to having any uncompromising moral position whatsoever.

      Again it’s one of those cliche situations of the left wants to not kill Palestinians and the right wants to kill all of them and liberals are like, “but you gotta compromise to get what you want …”

      Though hearing the Biden superpacs are focusing almost entirely on digital stuff makes me hope that most of these are just shills, even the downvoting is inconsistent, like the horde missed some comments or misinterpreted some of the commenters to think they’re pro-lib when they’re not. Very strange either way.

    • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      20
      ·
      4 months ago

      These people are so v*ush-brained that they think you can have literally any political belief you want and still be a “socialist” so long as you claim to be one and don’t voot DrUmPf.

    • Red_sun_in_the_sky [any]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      4 months ago

      I’ve seen similar comments from adjacent libs

      Sample :

      The purity crowd will not forgive any positive interaction with “bad” people. It reminds me of Jehovah’s Witnesses demanding people disassociate from “worldly” people and if you refuse to do so they will excommunicate you. Political hobbyists demanding purity actively sabotage the movements they claim to be a part of but their actions show they just want to be part of a social club. I sleep better at night by assuming these people are teenagers.

      Sample 2 :

      I’ll just say this, and be a little mean about it, if you don’t go vote for Biden you’re a fucking idiot. Yeah, he sucks and he’s a dumb old man. But he isn’t a fascist. Not voting for Biden, is a vote for fascism. Republicans will take control. They will implement project 2025. They will make it illegal for LGBT people to exist in public life. And it will be the last election we ever have.

      And yeah, I hear you, “but muh Palestine”. I get it. But do you really fucking think that Trump is going to be favorable to towards them? Do you really want a fascist with fucking nukes in the office when Israel is asking for aid? When Russia is still trying to overtake Ukraine? Just don’t be a dumbass. Go vote for Biden. We can deal with getting him out in 2028. If we vote for him now, we can have an election in 2028 with someone else at least.

      They just cry and moan about how commies are throwing them out of groups cause they support genocide. Pathetic.

      • TomBombadil [he/him, she/her]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        4 months ago

        Nooo you can never kick me out of a group just for my politics that’s red fash tankism!!!

        Anyway these terrorists who wore a Palestine flag pin and said Israel should stop killing kids need to be banned from having a job, going to school, and existing in public. Oh also dump millions into primarying anyone who disagrees.

    • impartial_fanboy [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      45
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      There was one berating the OOP about how, now that they’ve cut ties with her, the DSA has less power. Like how could they be so stupid as to do that.

      Completely missing the point that they never had her ‘power’ to begin with, I swear people didn’t use to be this dumb about politics but here we are …

      • TemutheeChallahmet [none/use name]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        I think what they mean by power is prominence. Outside of their association with her there is little the DSA could cite to the layperson to attest to their relevance. I respect them for what they did sticking by their principles, but this will materially make DSA a more niche, underfunded and fringe organization than it was already, though it was already flopping due to mismanagement.

  • booty [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    47
    ·
    4 months ago

    Yes, this wouldn’t have happened if DSA was a democratic org, but we aren’t, the NPC elections makes the Electoral College look good, so we have a bunch of PMC Maoists who don’t like electoral politics making calls like this.

    Tagline material

  • Coolkidbozzy [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    46
    ·
    4 months ago

    what has aoc actually done other than stump for biden recently

    it was cool when she advocated for the green new deal and pushing amazon out of queens, but I think those were both over 5 years ago now

  • The_sleepy_woke_dialectic [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    46
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    Purity tests are pragmatic. The almost 200k already dead in Gaza are the biggest problem right now bar none. Our only advocate in Congress being squishy about it isn’t going to fix that.

    People get too attached to an individual like aoc and it blinds them.

    • TemutheeChallahmet [none/use name]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      22
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      The thing people are missing when they scream at Redditors about genocide or Gaza to justify dropping support for AOC is that most people including the leftmost Democratic voter who sheds tears about Gaza still feels an abroad Arab person’s life to be of lower worth than a White or Asian life on a visceral and subconscious level. I even include most of the people who attended the Free Palestine protests among this, I am sure some swathe of them will object to this move by the DSA too.

      You cannot counterargue with these people effectively by mentioning the Gazan death toll, or even sharing gruesome images of civilian casualties, because Israel-Gaza will always be clocked by them as a pet issue in relation to domestic policy. Americans as a whole have sat through too many wars and their accompanying propaganda, and are too poorly traveled to have any better than an elevated noble savage view of any wartorn impoverished nation’s people. Even garnering sufficient support for ending the war and blight relies more on appealing to these people’s western chauvinism than their sincere empathy for Gazans as fellow human beings

  • grandepequeno [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    29
    ·
    4 months ago

    The DSA is probably the most relevant socialist political organization in north america, but there’s a point C.Derrick Varn makes that I find very astute and is proven by the comments in that reddit post, if the DSA ever adopts a program, regardless of what’s in it, it would immediately split

  • Tomboymoder [she/her, pup/pup's]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    28
    ·
    4 months ago

    The more it is evident that the US empire is on the decline and fascism in the western world is on the upswing the less I care about sucdem liberals and their tailism.
    The coming decades are going to be marked with the US losing it and it’s political order’s grip on countries around the world, as well as climate disaster and the immigration/refugee crisis that will follow it.
    The answer to this will inevitably be fascism, but no one on the American “left” seems to be operating under this reality.
    Catering only to the backwardness and comfort of the American working class and liberal sensibilities will do nothing to fight this or advance the cause of socialism without principled anti-imperialism.

    The sucdems can tut-tut and go “how do you expect to build your movement” but if it’s a movement of social chauvinists then it doesn’t matter.
    Frankly, I don’t think there is any timeline where the US is saved from fascism internally as things stand.

    • GnastyGnuts [he/him]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      23
      ·
      4 months ago

      The sucdems can tut-tut and go “how do you expect to build your movement” but if it’s a movement of social chauvinists then it doesn’t matter.

      geordi-yes

      • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        You should also back Nazis in the opposition to play exestential chicken with the electorate where they only have a choice between good cop Nazi or Bad Cop Nazi. This is smart and pragmatic strategy that adult politicers do.

  • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    27
    ·
    4 months ago

    Technically this was because NYC-DSA requested to withdraw their nomination (which had already been approved) so as not to have a public rift and not because of her atrocious politics. Ultimately probably good for the org to cut ties before she votes for a bill saying Palestinians are subhuman but it’s still kinda pathetic.

    • impartial_fanboy [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      25
      ·
      4 months ago

      Oh it’s absolutely pathetic. They should have cut ties with her when she backpedaled her first marginally pro-palestine interview shortly after she got elected (if I’m remembering correctly, could’ve been before). But the DSA isn’t a serious organization so we get this too little too late severing.

  • What_Religion_R_They [none/use name]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    ·
    4 months ago

    The American left is good at one thing, and that’s shooting their own foot.

    *Global Left

    Nah, the left just got their shit together in France and the UK and the left have made great leeway globally. The American left is something else though.

    I forgot these people think the left is in the west.

  • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    9
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    Very recently, a statue of Anne Frank in the Netherlands was vandalized with the word Gaza graffitied on it I’m not kidding look it up. What does a teenage Holocaust victim have to do with what’s happening now? She never lived in Israel, she was just an innocent Jewish teenager known for her diary.

    Gee IDK what does an innocent teen genocide victim have to do with the current genocide committed by the “state” that uses that genocide as a shield to comit genocide against chiildren?

    finkelstein-lambaste if isntrael doesn’t want to be compared to the Nazis, they simply need to stop acting like the Nazis.

    Your contribution was removed for discouraging voting

    Lol holy shit like the phrase “don"t vote for X” is grounds for removal in a post of the DSA removing their support for voting AOCIA.

    You wanna walk a narrowline between antisemitism and antizionism in NY of all places lol, I have to imagine you are knowingly committing political suicide

    I agree with Einstien’s assessment of isntrael. It has become a fascist project. Zionist aims over there are incompatable with the Jewish faith. I stand with my Othrodox Jewish brothers and sisters.

    • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      4 months ago

      Yes I blame the Republicans for literally proposing policies that want to murder me as a trans person while Biden’s DOJ is out there at the Supreme Court right fighting for my right to live.

      Wonder why the left has zero solidarity on that

      Could have fooled me because there is ZERO JACK SHIT from the Democrats preventing these criminalizations. If there is they certainly aren’t publicized anywhere.

      thinking-about-it Why aren’t transgender people seeing progress with Biden. Hmmmmmm…