Like it’s only so long until a user there posts a dumbass “Kick Tankies out of Lemmy” meme to try and start shit to get us defedded and hexbears take the bait immediately and pile on to tell them what a dumbass they are.

Like as dumb as the “death to NATO” being compared to “death to the people of NATO” stuff was, blahaj and hexbear are the largest queer instances and I quite like taking part in it and their trans communities, idk it’s kinda nice to interact with people who don’t have the same kind of hexbear brainrot where I see the words “pumpkin spice”, “Maoist cult”, “Soyfacing PMC radlib” or “rock stacking” and immediately start to go :sus: mentally, it feels refreshing to be able to talk to an incredibly queer positive community that doesn’t have the same kind of internet poisoning as all of us. And it seems kind of assholy that some of the users here just don’t give a shit and want to post and dunk until we get defedded by every instance, this isn’t like lemmy.ca where they were all dicks that none of us liked anyway and were complaining about us doing hate speech against fucking landlords or lemm.ee where almost every time time a user from there pops their head into our threads here they say something racist or transphobic. iirc blahaj.zone was actually the second most requested instance to federate with in the pre federation discussions due to how good of a queer space it was.

Like their first defed thread was a complete embarrassment because there were a load of users there that actually had positive opinions towards us and then they saw the shitshow happening once from the post reaching active and changed to be way against us which tbh, fair enough.

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statements from the head mod Ada:

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    After that “people of NATO” bullshit, I don’t see the administrative team (the admins and mods collectively) of blahaj operating in good faith. My comment about the bad faith that other instances engage in applies as much to blahaj as the other instances like lemmy.ca. If they truly believe in the vision and strategic goals of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, they can just say so without hiding behind some ridiculous excuse. I’m sure Stoltenberg and various other generals in command of a giant military are quaking in their boots about some obscure website wishing for their collective deaths.

    Most of the users seem to be cool enough, but the administrative team is a major obstacle, and frankly, I do not like it and do not believe it is fair that we have to change our behavior while they don’t have to do shit. How is this fair? We have a stickied “Amendments to the Code of Conduct regarding the Fediverse” issued by an admin, so what have they done in return? Apparently, our admins went out of their way to delete a post for their sake, so when are their admins going to delete the “fuck tankies” banner on their largest and most active comm? And this will not be the end of it, mark my words. They’ll demand more and more, ever slowly chipping away at what makes Hexbear Hexbear. If they want to demonstrate that they’re operating in good faith, they need to compromise as well.

    But I’m already wasting my time. In the second of meta discussion on blahaj about Hexbear (which I will not link because that would be bRigAdInG), everyone is giving the same tired excuses (tankies, emote spam, Ukraine) about why they want to defed from us. It’s going to happen one way or another. I just wish the admins here didn’t have to humiliate themselves in the process.

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      as cringe as it is that blahaj.zone hosts an explicitly anti-communist comm for a community half full of chasers, blahaj zone as a whole is pretty cool and i wouldn’t like to see it defedded

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      and rightly so.

      fuck authoritarianism, fuck hierarchies and fuck commie cops

      no gods, no masters. the only way forward.

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        fuck authoritarianism

        Ok, so define it first. Bonus points if you don’t consult the state department.

        The UK is currently run by an unelected, unopposed dictatorial tyrant with no mandate. Just something to think about while you try and invent a definition.

        fuck hierarchies

        How do you intend to organise?

        fuck commie cops

        I don’t see the People’s Police running protestors over or shooting minorities on the regular.

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          let’s have a look at your wonderful communist china

          social credit system and total surveillance. One wrong word and you’re boned.

          the people’s police? You mean like Tianenmen Square?

          And what about your wonderful communist utopia of Russia? Raping ukrainian children?

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            You know there are actually people living in China, including foreigners, and you can ask them about the “social credit score” right? And they all say they’ve never heard of it. On Baidu they actually joke about it because westerners think it actually exists. You can even ask them any other question about China you want! You don’t have to limit yourself to one topic!

            OP explicitly said

            Bonus points if you don’t consult the state department

            You don’t get the bonus points. In fact, you get points deducted.

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                iirc it’s actually an internal system for cracking down on corrupt businesses, not individual people but it was reported on incredibly disingenuously in the west and then redditors started talking about it like it was this Orwellian super surveillance (i.e. like the system they currently live in in America)

                Here’s something by the Canadian government informing Canadian businesses on how to act in China: https://www.tradecommissioner.gc.ca/china-chine/cscs-scse.aspx?lang=eng

                As part of China’s push towards data-driven governance, the Corporate Social Credit System (CSCS) is to be a single, standardized reputation-based scheme for both local and foreign firms doing business in China, ensuring their regulatory compliance and improving their corporate behaviour.

                Also I’m pretty sure I saw another article talking about its exact functionality at some other point but I can’t find it rn.

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                It’s a really good example of how something very widely discussed in popular media can be very misleading. There is a credit system, there’s a kernel of truth, but the reporting is completely different from what’s really happening. But because the reporting was so pervasive many people have accepted it as an article of faith and even if you try to show them what’s really going on they’ll retreat from it without engaging with the idea they might have been misled.

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                There is a social credit score for businesses (to ding them for anti-social practices like fraud, littering, etc), but nothing recognizable exists for individuals

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                My theory is he was clearly a hardline Maoist, he’s trying to get the tanks to go back towards the square. “What do you mean you’re done! You’re done when I say you’re done!”

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            total surveillance

            My home country literally has a higher level of CCTV cameras per person than any other country in the world, closely followed by the US and then Australia. America has the highest police funding per capita in the world, far outstripping the UK in second place. The snowden leaks revealed that the NSA uses it’s ability to track people and read their messages and look at anything saved on their computers for NSA agents to stalk their crushes at all hours, find nudes they’d taken on their phone, see if they were flirting with other people and had an internal culture of showing the nudes (i.e. ones saved on the victims phone and not willingly shared with the NSA creep) of the people they were stalking (and were looking at without their knowledge, let alone consent) to other people in the office, they even had an informal term for this called ‘lovetapping’ iirc. If you live in a five eyes country, then every bit of information your native intelligence agency has on you is shared with all of the other nations in the agreement.

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            Liberal can’t read, knows nothing with extreme confidence.

            Go away. We don’t have to be nice to you here.

            “I uncritically believe all the propaganda the state department shovels in to my little piggie maw, because unquestioning acceptance of everything the US State Department says is the core of Anarchism”

            There are many many Anarchist critiques of the behavior of the AES states. Well founded, valid arguments that need to be considered. State Department propaganda is not on that list, and you’re an embarrassment to everyone who has fought and died for Anarchist causes.

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        You’re posting in a communist instance mf, and you’re not in either blahaj or hexbear so I don’t really give a shit about your opinion on the matter

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          ik i’m crazy wanting liberation for all sentient beings and an end to oppression

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                pit “we want to kill all Jews, black people, queers, romas, communists, unionists, disabled people, antifascists and Slavs”

                hexbear-logo “we want to suppress or kill Nazis so they can’t do that”

                You: “I can’t tell the difference between these two groups, they are exactly the same, if you punch a Nazi that makes you no better than them”

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                I’m an anarchist myself, but if you try to approach their argument logically I think you’ll have a better chance of understanding why people might come to different conclusions than you.

                If the bourgeois were left to their own devices, it stands to reason they’d be back on their shit as soon as they saw a chance. In that light, an oppression of the formerly oppressive minority for the benefit of the majority (literally everyone else) might seem like a necessity.

                Based on what theory I’ve read, that and protections from external capitalist pressures are the entire reason for implementing a ‘dictatorship of the proletariat’.

                I’m not saying you’re wrong here, just that some empathy might help some leftist unity along into helping more people see things our way.

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                  There is a second major reason:

                  The bourgeoisie, by their nature as a class, inherently need a working class from which to extract profit. Therefore, if they are in charge of the state, they will seek to perpetuate the existence of a working class under them.

                  The proletariat does not inherently need an owning class over them, because that owning class fundamentally serves as a middleman hampering production. There can be and currently is, however, a circumstantial need for them due to their cheap administrative labor (relative to the cost of state administrative labor). Because of this, a state controlled by the proletariat will remove the bourgeoisie as they stop being useful in various industries, and eventually should entirely destroy the class and therefore class itself.

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                Reality isn’t a superhero movie, if you want to combat systems that oppress people you need to be practical and make sure that the people enforcing the oppressive systems can’t just undermine you and re-establish them, an outcome that has actually happened in places like Chile in the 1970s

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                AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

                holy shit one of you is actually this stupid! i seriously thought this was just a meme, oh my fucking god you are dumber than dogshit and half as charming

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    Whining about brigading and NATO are clear signs of terminal Reddit brainworms, so I’m not very optimistic about the long-term prospects for federation

    But more than that, creating special rules for their weird Vaushite shitposting instance is not it imo

    Frankly I was against federating with shitjustworks because they host an explicitly anti-communist comm and I’m having trouble seeing why I should feel differently about blahj

    Edit: Just saw their new meta discussion on Hexbear, which despite not having a single comment from us is still full of whining, crying liberals

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      Based on what their admin Ada has actually said she’s willing to put up with us a bit because she really does want to help builds a sense of trans solidarity between the two major trans instances so I feel like that’s mischaracterising her a bit. If she just wanted to find an excuse to defed us she would have done it over the shitshow in the previous defed thread.

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        I hadn’t seen this prior to posting in this thread and it does soften my view a lot. Supporting trans people across the lemmyverse is more important than yelling at obnoxious libs.

        Maybe we can get Hexbears to agree to some kind of cease-fire thing and agree not to engage with politics on Blahaj? Idk how that would work, given the consistent failure of Liberals to support and protect trans people. That seems like it would be an inevitable point of conflict.

        Might I suggest adding these to the main post so more people see them? This is important context that I didn’t have when I first posted and it might change other people’s views.

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    I blocked c/196, because I absolutely don’t trust myself not to see some anticommunist bullshit and go in guns blazing. They have “fuck tankies” in their comm banner, which I take as a sign that it’s very much not a space for me, so you know what? Fine. I don’t have to be there. The rest of blahaj.zone seems pretty cool, I like that it’s an explicitly queer instance, but c/196 seems like a bad idea and I just don’t want to deal with it.

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    WHAT IF THERE WERE A MYSTERIOUS “THIRD WAY”?

    But for serious, I get the feeling that someone might need to make an instance for people who want to post on both. It could even be queer themed. I just don’t see hexbear being able to rein it in enough to avoid the inevitable, and personally I like the dirtbag culture as it is.

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      Many of these “I don’t want to get defederated” posts are essentially asking for a complete 180 on the site culture; Stop posting so much. Stop responding to posts. Stop bullying liberals. Stop using emojis. Stop dismissing bad faith arguments and outright lies with PPB.

      That’s not what Hexbear is. I like your solution of a bridge instance, but beyond that the solution is likely that people who want to view anti-Leftist, anti-Communist instances need to make separate accounts on those instances.

      Edit: I read Ada’s (from Blahaj) posts and I have to temper my statement - I do see the value in maintaining ties with another major trans instance and making some adjustments to make that possible is a worthy thing to do. Please check out the statements, they’ve been added to the original post.

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    blahaj as a whole I’d very much like to see remain federated with us. Trans community and solidarity is needed here, but my experience in 196 was a bit wild lol

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    I’m very close to just starting to spam blahaj.zone with Leslie Feinberg. If you think that the liberal regime will give us any rights without massive struggle, you don’t know our fucking history.

    Liberals have given trans people nothing, we have had to claw everything we have from their cold dead grasp.

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    I really struggle to respect someone who repeatedly said “People of NATO” and never recanted, but I do need to respect her handling of this.