Ukraine Just Blew Up Russia’s Main Missile Base In Occupied Crimea
www.forbes.com
It’s fair to call the Cape Tarkhankut site the linchpin of Russian air and naval defenses across the Black Sea. Which is why the Ukrainian armed forces blew it up.
  • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.worldEnglish
    44726·
    10 months ago

    Fuck Forbes. They prop up conservatives and conservative talking points. They also post screens of tweets from conservatives, like the dickbag (from this article) who referred to the Ukraine army as “Ukronazis”.

    The news of this attack is great to hear, but we should not be supporting Forbes with clicks. They are the enemy.

    • tabarnaski@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      668·
      10 months ago

      I tend to agree with you, but I also think it’s important to know how the “enemy” thinks and interpret the news. I don’t think we should lock ourselves up in echo bubbles only reading stuff we agree with.

      • Pisodeuorrior@kbin.social
        434·
        10 months ago

        In theory I’d agree with you. I don’t mind reading of nuances or different opinions than mine.

        In general however, conservative media are worthless piece of shit embarrassments that I don’t want to waste time on.

        There’s a difference between discussing with sometime with a different opinion, and stopping in the middle of the road responding to every deranged, mentally challenged ignorant mean crack addict who yells their vision of the world from the top of a soap box.

        • figaro@lemdro.idEnglish
          22·
          10 months ago

          Agreed. They don’t argue in good faith. Their goal is not honesty and truth. What’s the point in engaging with someone like that?

          • bobman@unilem.orgEnglish
            7·
            10 months ago

            Arguing in good faith is the important part.

            As soon as I engage with someone not arguing in good faith, I leave. There’s just no point.

        • tabarnaski@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          52·
          10 months ago

          Comparing Forbes to a deranged, mentally challenged crack addict isn’t very fair, whatever your opinion is on Forbes or crack addicts.

      • Chainweasel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        29·
        10 months ago

        We don’t need to post their blatant propaganda as if it were a reliable source in order to do that though.

    • SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.deEnglish
      481·
      10 months ago

      Forbes is just a blogging platform where “contributors” can post their clickbait. Forbes adds their reputation and the ads and then splits the profit with the “contributor”…

        • bobman@unilem.orgEnglish
          21·
          10 months ago

          I once had a college professor tell me forbes was ‘absolutely reliable.’

          That was a decade years ago, but still.

          • bemenaker@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            10 months ago

            Forbes used to be credible. Like so many, they gave up on making good content, because, it costs money to do so.

            • SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.deEnglish
              3·
              10 months ago

              It not just cost money. It’s easier to generate outrage and “interesting” articles when you can just make shit up (or at least distort facts), so bullshit gets more clicks and thus is more profitable!

      • braveone@lemmy.mlEnglish
        11·
        10 months ago

        In this case you are wrong. This article is by Forbes Staff, not a contributor.

        Forbes uses one name to deliver two different products, one of which is an in house magazine.

          • PastaGorgonzola@lemmy.worldEnglish
            13·
            10 months ago

            “God bless America” seems a more apt comparison. Seeing as “Sieg Heil” was meant to glorify Hitler, rather than inspire pride of the country. Besides that, comparing Ukraine to Nazi Germany seems a bit too “Russian propaganda” for my tastes.

          • macracanthorhynchus@mander.xyzEnglish
            28·
            10 months ago

            You have linked directly to an image of a Ukrainian stomping on a swastika flag. You are not making the point you think you’re making.

            • MajorJimmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
              17·
              10 months ago

              They’re trying to liken it to the Nazis, but the fact remains that almost every single military in the world has something like this as either a battle cry or affirmation. US uses several iterations such as “Hooah”, “Ooah” and “Hooyah” depending on your branch so they can feel free to start chiming in about their views on US imperialism and nationalism any time they like, but we know they won’t.

          • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
            21·
            10 months ago

            Who out there would be dumb enough to think “Ukraini” would mean either “Sieg” or “Heil” and not just mean the the sovereign nation of Ukraine?

          • FangedWyvern42@lemmy.worldEnglish
            16·
            10 months ago

            It means Glory to Ukraine. Pretty much every military has something like it (for example, Hooah or Ooh-rah for the US Military (specifically the Army and the Marines). It’s also a national salute, which a lot of countries have.

          • FiskFisk33@startrek.websiteEnglish
            16·
            10 months ago

            which translates to “say hail” in english

            https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/hail

            Verb

            hail (third-person singular simple present hails, present participle hailing, simple past and past participle hailed)

            (transitive) To greet; give salutation to; salute.

            (transitive) To name; to designate; to call. quotations ▼

            He was hailed as a hero.

            The problem with the german WWII one isn’t as much the word as who they were hailing.

            i very much doubt the Ukrainian word has the same negative connotations as the german one.

    • Obinice@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      10 months ago

      Conservatives like the Tories, who are like"fascist-lite", or conservatives like USA conservatives, who are full on “nazi level fascists”? 😅

      I think Forbes is scummy for many reasons and never liked them, you’ve given me another reason to dislike them.

          • madcaesar@lemmy.worldEnglish
            105·
            10 months ago

            Because, just like FOX News we don’t want to support any of their shit.

            Just because there is one berry in the mountain of feces, we don’t need to go digging for it.

            Plenty of better news sources to support anyway.

    • heef@lemmy.worldEnglish
      64·
      10 months ago

      I agree with the referencing a horrible twitter user in the article being a bad thing, but your stance on conservatives, especially your username, is very fascist in of itself.

      • Impassionata@lemmy.worldEnglish
        62·
        10 months ago

        is very fascist in of itself.

        No. It’s not fascist to have a firm and authoritative opinion. It is, perhaps, violent and authoritarian in outlook, but conservatives have just tolerated if not endorsed an insurrection under false pretenses and those conservatives have yet to kill the traitor responsible for it, so contemplation of violence is justified because this ‘cold civil war’ as Vivek called it is not going to end with that boomer criminal in power ever again.

    • Filipdaflippa@lemmy.mlEnglish
      28·
      10 months ago

      Are you suggesting there isn’t nazis in Ukraine’s armed forces? Take a look at the cemeteries for the soldiers, you will notice some weird flags flying.

    • oatscoop@midwest.socialEnglish
      361·
      10 months ago

      I’d agree, yet I keep seeing people argue the counteroffensive is going poorly for Ukraine because they’re not making serious gains in recapturing territory. People forget that there are many ways to “win” a war: one of which is the enemy simply giving up and withdrawing. Chipping away at the enemy’s ability or will to continue fighting is a path to victory.

      You don’t need to steamroll the enemy if you make it militarily, politically, or economically untenable for them to hold a position.

    • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      10 months ago

      I remember reading recently that Western powers assessed why the counter offensive wasn’t working as well as it could, and they determined it was troop placement I believe. I’m willing to bet they provided advice here to get them back on track.

      • KevonLooney@lemm.eeEnglish
        21·
        10 months ago

        Well, there are tons of minefields and dug in defenders too. I would 100% not want to be attacking that. Supposedly the Russians put two mines on top of each other so even mine resistant vehicles aren’t safe.

        Although I recently read that the Ukrainians only need to push about 10 or 15 KM more. They won’t be at the Azov Sea but their artillery will cover the area. That means no private trucks will want to supply Crimea from that direction. So they are close.

        The Ukrainians are literally fighting a war for their homes. The Russians are not. This is Vietnam all over again. There’s no way for Russia to “win” unless they just leave and falsely claim victory.

        • GoodEye8@lemm.eeEnglish
          12·
          10 months ago

          It really isn’t like Vietnam.

          The US was extremely effective in Vietnam, I think it was something like 50k US KIA/MIA and 800k north Vietnam. If the US wanted to just steamroll the entire country they could’ve done it with relative ease. US lost because they didn’t want to steamroll, they wanted the southern Vietnam to take the ground after the US wiped the enemy out and it just didn’t work. US lost not because they couldn’t win, but because they chose a strategy that didn’t let them win. The US lost to their own arrogance.

          Russia isn’t even effective, Ukraine is doing a much better job at killing than Russia. And Russia actually wanted to steamroll Ukraine, and failed critically. Russia will most likely lose because they actually can’t win. Russia will lose to their own incompetence.

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
          6·
          10 months ago

          Yeah for as boneheadedly stupid as Russia has demonstrated themselves to be throughout this engagement, last years thunder runs were never going to be as successful this year as they were last year. Last years deep penetrating attacks were fun for watching the lines on the map move, but ultimately lacked grand operational value. They were high strategic value, to be sure, as they boosted morale, but the factors of asymmetric warfare are shifting. Russia will continue to have more materiel but aide has been balancing that, meanwhile Ukraine is receiving higher quality equipment and better trained operatives. I think the two big changes are Russia is learning lessons from last year and being more defensive this year, and similarly, Ukraine has been forced to learn their allies are much more willing to provide military aide for field testing than they are to provide the strategic goods Ukraine needs to take care of their populace. The result is Ukraine has much more offensive capabilities but is more interested in bolstering defenses to enter winter when the strategic value of glass increases.

          Both sides are much less interested in knock out blows now that they’ve penetrated the others defenses and realized they don’t have the capabilities to execute those. The war has slowed down as both sides try to make sustainable holdable advances as well as bleed the other side faster than their own side bleeds to death. The question is, does Russia have more blood to bleed that Ukraine can ever draw, or is Ukraine bleeding faster than they can sustain long enough to bleed Russia out. I’m no expert, but my observation is that it seems like Russia is overly confident in how much blood they have. Sure the Wagner rebellion fizzled out and Preghozhin is presumed dead, but everyone saw it. The Russian populace is starting to get uncomfortable with the numbers of rapists and murders receiving pardons to go rape and murder Ukrainians before returning home to continue their vile ways. The Russian populace experienced something like 1 year of freedom following the fall of the Soviet Union before the current fascist movement took power and has over 1000 years of learned helplessness, but Putin is seemingly pushing every single button and pulling every single lever that could result in his people finally saying “enough is enough”

      • bobman@unilem.orgEnglish
        4·
        10 months ago

        They expected Ukrainians to use their men like cannon fodder to break through russian defenses.

        It’s fucking stupid, I know, but most Western officials are just espousing talking points to please their constituents. None of them should really be taken all that seriously.

          • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.worldEnglish
            131·
            10 months ago

            It’ll be there always tempting them, but it will be a grievous mistake if they give into that temptation.

        • bobman@unilem.orgEnglish
          46·
          10 months ago

          China will never invade Taiwan unless it wants a war with the US.

          Idk why you people keep saying otherwise as though you have a point. 50 upvotes? Really? Come on guys. Wake up to fearmongering.

          • 31337@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            11·
            10 months ago

            The investment and business class seem to think it’s at least a possibility. It’s why Bershire Hathaway sold their TSMC shares and why TSMC has started building foundries outside of Taiwan.

            Taiwan has no defensive treaties, and an invasion wouldn’t automatically bring anyone else into the war. China, like Russia, is a nuclear power, so I doubt nuclear nations would directly join the war. It would be another Russia-Ukraine war situation, but economically catastrophic (because of this, I doubt China would invade unless it gets into an economic state where it doesn’t have much to lose).

    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.worldEnglish
      74·
      10 months ago

      I had to reread that twice to realize you weren’t upset at hexagons, and was wondering where you had found graphics of the Ukrainian war superimposed on turn based battle hex maps

      • lingh0e@lemmy.filmEnglish
        1065·
        10 months ago

        lemmy.world defederated from a instance full of pro-russia shitheel trolls who would ruin any discussions regarding Ukraine. It’s very nice not having to scroll through their propaganda.

        • bobman@unilem.orgEnglish
          118·
          10 months ago

          Meh. I never saw anything like that. Usually russian-sympathizers are downvoted into oblivion and there’s not that many of them.

          I’m curious exactly what these people were saying, but now I’ll never get to see because someone else decided to censor it for me.

          Not really defederating, but I hope we can update lemmy so censorship is optional. You can choose to have posts hidden by mods hidden from you, or not. That way everyone wins, except for the children who think “I don’t want to see this, so neither should anyone else!” And honestly, who cares about those kids?

          • Orphie Baby@lemmy.worldEnglish
            51·
            10 months ago

            I got kicked from communities in lemmy.ml a year ago when I tried Lemmy for the first time, for not worshipping everything China did.

            • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              10 months ago

              Glad that you actually came to saner instances once they came live, and didn’t just feel aversion to the Fediverse as a whole.

              • Orphie Baby@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                10 months ago

                I mean I did just stop using Lemmy for a year. Then when Reddit did dumb and Lemmy exploded, I forgot that Lemmy was what I had tried.

      • 0x2d@lemmy.mlEnglish
        454·
        10 months ago

        hexbear is an instance full of communist trolls

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
          932·
          10 months ago

          Being pro Russia because you’re pro communist is so fucking weird to me. The Russian federation is an imperialist capitalist oligarchical fascist state.

            • M0oP0o@mander.xyzEnglish
              172·
              10 months ago

              They hate the US so much they have to bring it up continuously, everywhere and more so if the post has nothing to do with the US.

              • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
                251·
                10 months ago

                And look. I get being critical of the US, we’re a mess, but the solution to the problems in our country isn’t a slightly different authoritarian regime

                • lingh0e@lemmy.filmEnglish
                  12·
                  10 months ago

                  Fucking seriously. I’m all for smashing the system, but those assholes have more in common with my racist Trump voting relatives than… you know… good people.

                • The Snark Urge@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  7·
                  10 months ago

                  It’s been almost two months since I got here, and I’m still not used to seeing blatantly nuanced and sensible views. I might be a little damaged.

            • severien@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6·
              10 months ago

              I get what you’re saying, but I disagree with “make a lot more sense”. It still doesn’t make logical sense, but this is how these people indeed think.

              • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                2·
                10 months ago

                Oh it doesnt make sense for anyone with any ampunt of logical reasoning, but it atleast give an explanation how their reasoning works.

            • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              10 months ago

              This is the correct take. They aren’t pro-Russia because they’re “communists”, they’re pro-Russia because they’re anti-west, even if that means looking the other way when there’s imperialism of the unexpected color.

          • lemme_at_it@lemmy.worldEnglish
            14·
            10 months ago

            Being pro Russia because ‘own the left’ and ‘our guy has autocratic dreams’ is even weirder

            • SwampYankee@mander.xyzEnglish
              13·
              10 months ago

              Let’s just agree that no matter your political leanings, being pro-Russia is fucking weird.

            • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
              3·
              10 months ago

              I swear to god it seemed like there was a massive shift in pro Russian sentiment when we all found out Russia had interfered in the 2016 election because

              1. Obama was doing sanctions about it and a certain group of people is always anti Obama, regardless of what that means, politically
              2. Russia had interfered on behalf of the guy they wanted, therefore Russian interference good
          • Astroturfed@lemmy.worldEnglish
            7·
            10 months ago

            Logic has no place in that weird mob mentality. They’re basically pro fascism, just you know the fascists that aren’t Western. Makes it good fascism somehow.

          • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
            61·
            10 months ago

            Because they’re not communists, they’re just fascists that don’t like being called fascists.

            • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              10 months ago

              The lengths to which they cry just because people use the word “tankie” is ludicrous. They also have this custom to equate “tankie” and “communist” the same way not too politically literate right wingers do.

              • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
                1·
                10 months ago

                Yeah it’s all down to the political spectrum bullshit. Far left and far right are complete opposite ends of the spectrum so therefore completely antithetical to one another!

                Meanwhile in the real world, fascists and communists (well at least the Leninist/Maoist/Stalinist ones) are all just authoritarians with slightly different rationalizations for it. I kinda feel like the only reason the concept of left/right political spectrum even exists is so some authoritarians in academic circles can claim to be nothing like the Nazis.

          • lingh0e@lemmy.filmEnglish
            1510·
            10 months ago

            No. They are not.

            Half of them are the obnoxious trust fund goons who lived on your floor in the dorms and had posters of Che on their walls. They generally came from wealth and this anti-capitalist rhetoric is just them rebelling against their parents. Their dad is probably a non-practicing jew who drives a VW Phaeton . They don’t know their birth mothers too well but their step moms are probably women who graduated from high school two classes ahead of themselves. The obnoxious goons who base their entire personality on these kinds of interactions, they pride themselves on being “disliked for speaking truth to power”.

            The other half are shitheel trolls who are too wrapped up in their own attempts at edgy bullshit to understand the difference between “it’s just a joke, bro” and “just drink the fucking kool-aid, bro”.

            Neither of those groups have any sense of self awareness.

            So nah, they aren’t communists.

            • bobman@unilem.orgEnglish
              31·
              10 months ago

              Half of them are the obnoxious trust fund goons who lived on your floor in the dorms and had posters of Che on their walls.

              That’s… so specific. It sounds like you’re just saying things, lol.

            • Hadriscus@lemm.eeEnglish
              11·
              10 months ago

              Your dad ever bought a Jaffa orange ? well he’s buying nukes for Israël. He’s a jew

        • bobman@unilem.orgEnglish
          39·
          10 months ago

          Lemme guess, they say fringe opinions you don’t like and that makes them trolls?

    • I_hate_you_welcome@feddit.nlEnglish
      101·
      10 months ago

      Thank god, they flamed the crap out of me a couple of days ago, I thought this was what Lemmy was turning into and considered actually leaving.

      • eee@lemm.eeEnglish
        7·
        10 months ago

        I just block anyone who trolls. It takes a while, but the more you block, the less they become a problem.

          • Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            3·
            10 months ago

            Kinda. They still appear with a message telling you that they are blocked. You can press a button to show the comment anyway. It is like a soft block where you can decide whether you want to read a comment or not.

    • Astroturfed@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      10 months ago

      They seem to have taken their ball and gone home mostly, thankfully. The pro Russia capitalistic imperialism talk from people who are supposedly anti imperilism, communists was just some of the most absurd mental gymnastics I’ve ever seen.

      • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
        4·
        10 months ago

        Lemmy.World defederated them. They didn’t take their ball and go home. Someone with some sense kicked their ball over the fence and said “we don’t play games with jerkasses”

        • Astroturfed@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          10 months ago

          They defederated themselves from at least one of the larger instances before that. They were in full temper tantrum mode about people not enjoying their trolling.

  • PottedPlant@lemmy.worldEnglish
    108·
    10 months ago

    The messaging coming from Budenov, the Ukrainian head of intelligence:

    “We have the ability to hit any part of the temporarily occupied Crimea as of now. Absolutely at any point we can get the enemy. Those who have done stupid things, it’s better for them to leave,”

    “And those who are waiting must prepare and do everything to help, first of all, the intelligence agencies, and then further, when the troops go into the open.”

    Psyops for sure, but part of me wants it to happen. Now with this battery gone it definitely sets the stage.

    • andrei_chiffa@lemmy.worldEnglish
      231·
      10 months ago

      I don’t think it’s only a psyops.

      One think is getting hit by drones and missiles. It’s a whole different level to not spot a landing squad crossing almost 100km of sea, land and blow up your critical military installation.

      They likely already did it last year, when they blew up planes on a Russian base in Crimea, but it is nice to see that they still very much can do it.

      • M0oP0o@mander.xyzEnglish
        9·
        10 months ago

        russia seems to be bad at spotting and stopping anything armed in territory not currently on the front (or maybe there too?).

      • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        10 months ago

        That is one of the key points of this war. The Russian army is an army of the age of tanks, with a handful of air support and some missiles. The Ukrainian army has already entered the age of drones, and uses it wisely.

    • lemme_at_it@lemmy.worldEnglish
      92·
      10 months ago

      I read a theory about why Ukraine has not completely destroyed the bridge to Crimea, even if they were able to, was to leave a way out & not fight the occupying troops into a corner, at which point their destructive unpredictability is worse than just letting them leave . This could be similar

      • severien@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        10 months ago

        No, that doesn’t make a lot of sense. Russia has enough boats/ships to evacuate Crimea if they wanted. They used to supply the whole Crimea woth ships before the bridge was built.

        If Ukraine could, they would definitely destroy the bridge. But it’s just very difficult task.

        • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          10 months ago

          Putin would forbid any evacuation plans. A bridge allows scared soldiers a way to run away without permission from command.

          • severien@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            10 months ago

            WTF, the bridge has checkpoints on both sides, you’re not going to somehow sneak thousands of soldiers.

              • severien@lemmy.worldEnglish
                11·
                10 months ago

                You think they would mutiny? Then they can just steal some of the many ships in the harbors.

                And again, 20 km long bridge is a perfect place to destroy / stop whatever you want. It’s a chokepoint, hell to get through if the other sode doesn’t want to let you go through.

  • theodewere@kbin.social
    601·
    10 months ago

    i wonder if Russians realize how nervous they should be… maybe seeing Russians shoot down Russians outside Moscow will start to wake them up…

      • CitizenKong@lemmy.worldEnglish
        44·
        10 months ago

        What I don’t get: Doesn’t this turn the Wagner mercenaries into even more of loose cannons? What’s stopping them to just fracture into chaotic splinter groups now?

        • kent_eh@lemmy.caEnglish
          201·
          10 months ago

          As soon as these mercenaries stop getting paid, they’ll wander off and find another paymaster.

          • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            10 months ago

            Note that a good chunk of contemporary Wagner soldiers are forcibly recruited criminals. If there’s something less reliable than a mercenary, that’s a forcibly recruited criminal.

        • theodewere@kbin.social
          181·
          10 months ago

          his name is a really easy banner to fly now… he basically can’t do anything wrong anymore… he died a hero trying to save Russians from the corruption of Putin… the anger will just grow, especially once that army in Ukraine starts knocking on doors inside Russia…

          everyone sees that Putin just did it because he was AFRAID of Prigozhin

          • paddirn@lemmy.world
            English
            13·
            10 months ago

            Even though I think that’s how it may have played in the West, it seemed like Prigozhin stayed pretty loyal to Putin all throughout, he was really careful to not lay any blame on Putin, more that he was misled. If anything, I wonder if blame will be placed on Shoigu, the Defense minister, that’s who Prigozhin’s beef was with I thought. I’d assume there will be some mob-style reprisals against Shoigu and/or the military leadership rather than against Putin himself. That still may benefit Ukrainians regardless.

            • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
              6·
              10 months ago

              Putin won’t axe Shoigu he’s his perfectly loyal Tuvan pet… not necessarily loyal to Putin (he started under Yeltsin), but to the office of the president: Shoigu is guaranteed to not make a move for office because he has no chance in the first place because racism.

              He’s pretty much the only person among the Siloviki who is guaranteed to not use their position as head of the army to putsch. Shoigu’s best play is to be loyal to whoever happens to be his boss, and that’s what he’s doing. He may be otherwise incompetent bu he understands politics.

              (Side note: Tuva does have a kickass national anthem, with throat singing and everything)

              • macracanthorhynchus@mander.xyzEnglish
                2·
                10 months ago

                Thank you for linking that. The anthem absolutely slaps. Now I wish I was Tuvan. Or, at the very least, I wish the Russian Federation would collapse so Tuva can participate in the Olympics under their own flag, and then I will cheer for them so I can hear this anthem.

            • theodewere@kbin.social
              5·
              10 months ago

              i don’t disagree with one bit of your analysis, i’m just not sure Shoigu will be enough once Ukrainians start driving tanks down Russian highways… popcorn time in any case, like you say…

              • athos77@kbin.social
                3·
                10 months ago

                once Ukrainians start driving tanks down Russian highways

                I doubt the West will supply arms for a large-scale invasion of Russia. They’ve already made it clear that the stuff that they are supplying is to be used only in Ukraine, occupied Ukraine, and Crimea, and not anywhere in Russia proper. And Ukraine has been very careful to strike inside Russia only with weapons that do not come from Western governments, and to aim only at military and government targets inside Russia. I doubt a ‘real’ invasion will happen. Drone worries and border skirmishes, certainly; actual march-on-Moscow invasion, I doubt it.

                • theodewere@kbin.social
                  1·
                  10 months ago

                  nothing on this Earth is going to stop that Army… they will do what they want now… you just expressed every Russian’s delusional dream…

                  Russians have some waking up in store for them

        • hdnsmbt@feddit.deEnglish
          12·
          10 months ago

          Nothing, and a few probably will. But a few small groups are much more easily handled. I wouldn’t be surprised if smashing the group was the main motivation behind the plane crash.

          • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            11·
            10 months ago

            a few small groups are much more easily handled

            What about just one guy with a grudge and a shoulder-fired missile launcher (anti-aircraft or anti-tank, depending on how you prefer to travel)? I’m sure Putin himself has countermeasures but he may still have problems unless his men can track down every Wagnerite who may have taken home a souvenir from Ukraine.

        • awwwyissss@lemm.eeEnglish
          7·
          10 months ago

          That’s a really good question. Lots of implications. Will they attack the Kremlin? Will they continue stabilizing dictatorships in Africa? Will the Kremlin get control of them and use them in Ukraine? Revenge assassinations?