Thom Yorke and Julianne Moore join thousands of creatives in AI warning
www.theguardian.com
Statement comes as tech firms try to use creative professionals’ work to train AI models
  • Lugh@futurology.todayMEnglish
    15·
    14 days ago

    I sympathize, most of my work falls under the category of ‘creative’ too. But this conversation about AI & robotics needs to quickly move to UBI, or universal access to basic needs like health and housing. The day is coming when AI & robots can do all work, but for pennies on the hour & a free market economy isn’t viable any more. This approach doesn’t acknowledge that; it still assumes a free market economy can work in the future.

    • drspod@lemmy.mlEnglish
      152·
      14 days ago

      The day is coming when AI & robots can do all work

      I really don’t think we are anywhere close to this. I don’t even expect to see it in my lifetime.

      • Lugh@futurology.todayMEnglish
        62·
        14 days ago

        If AI/robotics follow the typical s-curve of technological adoption, I think the 2030s is most likely. We already seem to be at the beginning of that s-curve in 2024.

        • SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          13 days ago

          The fields of AI and robotics exists for much longer. The first industrial robot was installed in 1961. The first artificial neural network in 1958. I’d argue the s curve started there. Even humanoid general purpose robots existed in 1986 with Asimo for example. But with such a long lead time, I expect reaching the top of the curve to take multiple decades.

        • drspod@lemmy.mlEnglish
          42·
          13 days ago

          If you’re assuming that we have the technology now in its prototypical early-adopter phase then your estimate of 2030 is for adoption of LLMs and generative AI.

          We don’t have even prototypical AGI yet, and it is AGI which is necessary to “do all the work.” The s-curve of technological adoption assumes that the technology exists at the start of the curve. This is what I meant when I said “I really don’t think we are anywhere close to this.”

      • Bakkoda@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        14 days ago

        I work in manufacturing environments and the technology is further than i want to admit but luckily businesses NEVER spend the money for the full package. It’s always half DIY at best. It’s always a disaster right around the corner.

      • Flocklesscrow@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        12 days ago

        I’d rather see skilled artisans and crafts people flourishing than hear another venture capitalist shilling AI’s purported merits infinitum.

        These are simply the next iteration of snake oil salesmen.

        AI is poised to crush labor and enrich Capital, at a time when Capital is already breaking records in profits leached directly from workers’ quality of life.

        If it doesn’t contribute to the same broad economic footing as we saw in post-war 1950’s America, then frankly, no thanks.

    • basmati@lemmus.orgEnglish
      103·
      14 days ago

      Well the world isn’t giving up capitalism until it collapses, so the conversation still makes sense to be stuck around not letting the robots do all the fun stuff while we’re stuck doing pointless busy work to prove we should continue to exist.

      • Lugh@futurology.todayMEnglish
        4·
        14 days ago

        That is one way of looking at this. An alternative view is to say - “The day is coming when AI & robots can do all work, but for pennies on the hour” - will probably arrive by the 2030s. Every day we waste on pointless conversations that are destined to go nowhere, is a day we waste planning for the future. Worse than that, the chaos and despondency the AI/jobs threat creates, adds to the general conditions that are making the rise of fascism and the far right more prevalent.

        • basmati@lemmus.orgEnglish
          45·
          14 days ago

          You’re assuming the people that own the machines have any interest in keeping us alive to reap the benefits of a mostly automated workforce

          • Lugh@futurology.todayMEnglish
            41·
            14 days ago

            the people that own the machines have any interest in keeping us alive

            I never take ideas like that seriously. Even in sci-fi, the concept seems wildly fanciful.

            • basmati@lemmus.orgEnglish
              34·
              13 days ago

              Have you ever heard the term Superfund site or heard of the company Exxon?

              Companies can, will, and have killed people for far less at the behest of the rich and powerful. If they get a scenario where they think they no longer need us, they’ll make it happen.

      • Lugh@futurology.todayMEnglish
        2·
        13 days ago

        apart from posting regularly, sadly I don’t have many ideas. 😞😞

        We’ve had real trouble growing this site from the reddit sub-reddit, and the promotional posts we’ve done, in total, have had tens of thousands of views