Prime minister wants young people to be shielded from ‘power of the algorithm’

Prime minister wants young people to be shielded from ‘power of the algorithm’

  • Ballissle@lemmy.zipEnglish
    163·
    2 months ago

    I was jailbreaking my iPod when I was 11 and bypassing school computer restrictions. This isn’t stopping anyone. I think even a vpn would simply bypass this

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        I find it crazy how the IT departments at the various schools can’t seem to understand the economics of it all. The more they lock it down the more motivated the students become to break it. It also doesn’t help that schools are censorship hell.

    • webghost0101@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      9·
      2 months ago

      I am less concerned with stopping young people from accessing the web then with general awareness of people about the damaging mental side effects of technology.

      Those side effects are usually long term, an account and a few online interactions wont harm much. But a habit will.

      If my kids hacks trough my infrastructure i will shine with IT pride… and then update my infrastructure explaining them why it is i am so concerned.

      I know they will find ways outside my walled garden but keeping them in was never the point, providing a safe space to live to develop healthy habits is.

    • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
      3·
      2 months ago

      I tormented the crap out of my middle schools IT guy. He couldn’t figure out how I managed to bypass the GPOs. Spoiler: the group policy was at the user level which made it easy to unapply.

    • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      They may require real-world credentials for account creation to prevent that from happening.

      She said the government was investigating methods of enforcing such restrictions that did not intervene with human rights, such as the requirement for a bank account.

      • unexposedhazardEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        It also gives parents assurance that they arent crazy for wanting to limit their kids access to these hell sites.

          • unexposedhazardEnglish
            4·
            2 months ago

            In a couple (maybe most at this point idk) EU countries you can use your ID in combination with your phones NFC and an open source app to prove certain parameters like age to sites, without giving up any identifying information. This is what should be used here and not fucking bank accounts.

  • Th4tGuyII@fedia.io
    141·
    2 months ago

    1 - Those age restrictions work about as well as a gate with no fence

    2 - Teaching kids about the dangers of social media and introducing them properly, rather than expecting them to simply abstain because the law says so (a historically very effective technique /s), would be a whole lot more productive.

  • Ogmios@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    61·
    2 months ago

    That’s like putting a bandaid on a sucking chest wound.

    Why we continue to allow every intelligence agency, gang and terrorist organization in the entire world to have a direct line of access to our whole population is beyond me, and it’s hard to explain away without assuming malice from those running our own societies.

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      2 months ago

      I have no problem giving everyone access to means of socializing online. We have or have had BBS, Usenet, IRC and many more ways to do this. The problem with “social media”, IMHO, are the algorithms and addictive design concepts as well as the fact that these platforms are designed to extract as much information from the user as possible. The information provided is not the product, the user is.

      • Ogmios@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        12·
        2 months ago

        Well I have an absolutely massive fucking problem with giving the KGB, MS13 and ISIS access to my children online. Socializing online is a pitiful ghost of actually socializing with real people in the real world anyways.

        • Jo Miran@lemmy.mlEnglish
          21·
          2 months ago

          …KGB, MS13 and ISIS…

          If you are worried about the KGB, then your kids are pushing middle age. The problem is not the defunct agency, the random thugs or the illiterate terrorists. The true scary is the systemic syphoning of every detail about you by giant corporations which is then sold off, legally, in the open market. If you don’t want children exposed to Internet, don’t get them a smart phone or a computer. Sadly, not knowing how to navigate apps or websites would likely hinder their ability to function in today’s and probably tomorrow’s society.

          • Ogmios@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            11·
            2 months ago

            Care to use words to express why you think having a problem with that is laughable? Just guessing, but if you think pretending they disbanded means they don’t actually exist anymore, you ought to know that a KGB agent is literally running their country now.

              • Ogmios@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                11·
                2 months ago

                You can care about both issues fyi. Frankly pretending those things aren’t a serious threat makes me wonder about who you are. You can’t even discuss those other problems online as things are, without such bad faith actors injecting themselves into the conversation and muddying the waters.

                • Jo Miran@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  2·
                  2 months ago

                  How in the world is the KGB, an institution disbanded before HTML was created, a problem for anyone on the Internet? MS13 and ISIS are fringe examples used as boogiemen to obfuscate and distract. Anyway, the point of the laughter was the use of KGB. Is the Stasi tapping iPhones?

  • itsJoelle@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    2 months ago

    I can understand the intent behind this, but I wonder if it will actually prevent kids bypassing these restrictions. Much less, in my own country minors that shouldn’t be on platforms have public accounts.

    Without proper enforcement of such restrictions and/or actual technical solutions to enforce this on the user’s end, this is just feel-good signaling.

  • solsangraal@lemmy.zipEnglish
    51·
    2 months ago

    kids will easily find ways around this, and social medias will facilitate it

    aka nothing will change whatsoever

    • Riffraffintheroom [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      6·
      2 months ago

      Properly motivated ones will find a way around it. Those just clicking out of habit might not be assed to. If the whole point is zoning out, being asked to perform intellectual labour to access it is counterproductive to the urge.

      • solsangraal@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        yea, one properly motivated one will figure out how to do it, then show all the can’t be assed ones

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        Is it just me or do is there a unusual amount of hexbear users in this post? Maybe it is just by chance.

  • Jo Miran@lemmy.mlEnglish
    3·
    2 months ago

    “This legislation is sponsored and brought to you by our good friends over at NordVPN…”

    (Joke made to sound like the standard Youtuber sponsor intro)

  • Reptorian@lemmy.zipEnglish
    41·
    2 months ago

    Yeah, sure, man. I haven’t looked much into social media when I was 13, and had seen porn ads and ran into surprise things. Looking back, I don’t think I needed this nanny thing.