Elon Musk has become a regular campaign surrogate for Donald Trump in the presidential race against Vice President Kamala Harris.
  • danc4498@lemmy.worldEnglish
    80·
    2 months ago

    It’s crazy to me that the conversation is always about illegal immigrants working. It should be about the people paying illegal immigrants. Let’s follow the money!

    • mriguy@lemmy.world
      101·
      2 months ago

      The entire point of our existing system is to guarantee the perpetual presence of a large population of hard workers with absolutely no legal rights in the labor pool.

      If any complaint means you and your family might be immediately deported, you’re not going to ask for a raise (or most government services), and you sure as hell aren’t going to try to form a union. Employers haven’t figured out how to put all workers on that position yet, but it’s not for lack of trying. They get the benefit of a side effect that legal workers are always afraid their job will be outsourced to immigrants, so they too are leery of asserting their rights.

      Whipping up anti immigrant sentiment actually helps perpetuate this system, since it lets you put all the heat on the workers and ignore the role of the employers. And just “getting tough on immigrants” (aka giving government more freedom to gratuitously abuse brown people) will never happen, because it would destroy entire industries, as we find out every time some southern state passes, then almost immediately repeals, this type of law.

      Actually penalizing employers would require the labor markets to change in ways the Republicans would hate (fair compensation and rights for workers is anathema to them), and the Democrats don’t seem to care enough about to fight for. Probably because of their longterm shift towards dependence on corporate donors. Honestly, unions should be at the forefront of trying to fix this, but they are not very strong these days, and blaming immigrants is always easier than finding good solutions.

      TL;DR Working as intended.

  • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.worldEnglish
    348·
    2 months ago

    The headline is technically correct, but is phrased to make you feel like it may be less credible because it came from a politician/Biden.

    Elon and his brother have literally talked about this before, on video. It’s being discussed again now because the Washington Post ran a new article about it.

    https://archive.is/iyR4w

    https://youtu.be/CgV2KzyWKx0?si=y3hO4FvHLsFAAXJ-&t=815 ( 2013 Interview being referenced, timestamped to the comments from Kimball & Elon about being illegal immigrants).

    • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldEnglish
      27·
      2 months ago

      I don’t think it’s phrased to be that way, though; that Musk was working illegally has already been reported. This news story is on the fact that Biden is drawing attention to it.

      • TWeaK@lemm.eeEnglish
        6·
        2 months ago

        Yeah exactly. CNBC aren’t really twisting anything here, and they even mention the WaPo article in the 2nd bullet point at the top.

        If there’s anyone worth looking at over the release of this story it’s WaPo. One could reasonably assume that Bezos wanted this story published, as Musk is a big rival. However at the same time they’ve just announced that they won’t endorse anyone for this election for the first time in decades, which at best could be seen as hedging their bets in case of a Trump presidency but at worst be seen as pandering to Trump.

      • FutileRecipe@lemmy.world
        62·
        2 months ago

        the fact that Biden is drawing attention to it

        Now, if only there was someone in charge of the federal government, preferably with immunity when acting on official duties, who could safeguard America’s interest by removing someone’s access to defense contracts and deporting the same someone who started off their defense career illegally. Oh well.

  • fluxion@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    2 months ago

    I’d be much more likely to believe stories about Musk eating people’s pets

  • chuckleslord@lemmy.world
    15·
    2 months ago

    Accepting the framing of the right is always a sure way to lose. There is no reason why a person who wants to work and live here peacefully shouldn’t be able to.