I agree and slowing down has been a common theme when we have reflected on what went wrong, in addition to improving communication

Pretty much this. The last big old blow up of shit was over doing changes without consulting the community first. Easy to fix.

I advocate for a grace period in regards to new site rules, where there is a week introduction period where we don’t fully enforce the new rules until that week is up, and just politely remind people during said time when we see the behavior crop up.

If this had not been answered already, I’ll say this mistaken idea has been correfted and should not occur ever again.

Self-criticism, among quite a few other Marxist concepts that are often dogmatically thrown around here, only apply to be enforced upon members of a communist party. something hexbear is not. Therefore any such act of self-crit hereafter must be purely voluntary and not utilized as a tool to bludgeon over the head those whom empowered individuals may have petty disagreements with.

That requirement is no longer a site policy and won’t be included in mod log reasons. We want people posting in that community to be genuine and not feel forced, which diminishes the meaning of those that choose to post there Replied from inbox and hadn’t seen Alaskaball’s better reply

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@Civility@hexbear.net

I personally think this should extend past this post. Sometimes people don’t know when to step back on their own and continue to fight long after it becomes unproductive. 1-day temp bans provide all parties a chance to cool off and reevaluate their positions.

I find the megathreads vague and confusing in all communities. There can be so much dissonance between when people are yapping about their day and talking about deep subjects literally on the same post. It’s like we’re all just screaming in a hotel lobby.

Commenting on posts feels more like I’m exploring. Sitting in the megathread feels like a more passive way to engage with the site

This isn’t really something thay we can or should try to enforce though, it’s just a matter of preference. I personally like how you can just hop on the mega (for me the trans mega) and just post a positive comment about your day and walk alway without a bunch of engagement.

I read the general megathread daily and you should try reading it, because I don’t you would say the same thing if you actually read it, it’s mostly people talking about their day or their lives which I don’t think would benefit from being their own posts and most people would not want to post about their day directly to the rest of lemmy we’re federated with, I can see it if you mean the news thread should just post the news updates as posts because at least that’s more applicable to anyone.

1000%

longtime (20+ yrs) mega thread hater here.

they are stupid, yet people love them, so I am wrong I guess.

I just like the format of

SUBJECT: ________
BODY: ________
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URL: ________
IMAGE:________
COMMUNITY: /c/________

Probably due to being too email brained

I think I agree . I use the general megathread a lot, but could it just be c/chat? Maybe. I feel like the news thread could definitely just be c/news. The megathreads for communities I’m not a part of I couldn’t speak to. I think it would definitely be a huge drama to take away the mthreads

Yeah apart from the news mega (and even that one is only neutral to me) I do not understand the drive towards megathreads at all. It’s just discord but with extra steps and if I wanted to be in a discord, then I’d be in a discord. I wanted a leftist redditclone, that’s why I came here.
It’s at least mellowed out a bit, but there has been a lot of push towards those in the past. It’s extra odd to me because the site seems to have a vibe of wanting to create agitprop and, at the very least, affecting the wider fediverse, but we want to discourage posting for some reason.
I don’t think we should get rid of them. Some people like them and they’re a part of site culture now, but I never understood the push for them.

You better step up your game then you filthy animal

this is the future that leftists want

We did establish an internal guideline of “if the post is more than X hours old and has over Y upvotes don’t remove it”

An upcoming lemmy patch will notify users of removals and we could do better at encouraging mods to make a comment/send a dm informing a user of a CW violation when you remove a post/comment for that reason

And have mod comment if you think nsfw is not enough of cw/cw is incorrect, how the fuck do you think i have to fix incorrect cw, if i don’t know who to answer that i fixed the issue/title? I have to notice it was removed, search modlog like a nerd, see some reason with removal (one that i might agree with or might not, but be fine with fixing), and what then? Only alaskaball does it

I got mentioned!

Wait was that a positive thing or a negative thing I got mentioned for?

yeah this is all very real, if a little hostile, the mod tooling on here is atrocious still and mods need to be way more consistent about communication to make up for that.

Sorry if that’s sounds like work, don’t fucking remove threads from “wrong comm” then. Your 3 seconds of “correct bucket sorting is important for my deep learning model” is collective minutes of writing comments by commenters, show that you care eh?

If mods keep on pulling this shit, the solution is to just post in multiple comms and let the mods sort it out. Imagine opening a support ticket only to have someone close the ticket because you didn’t properly categorize the support ticket.

Agreed. There is a lack of consistency verging on preferential treatment and it’s had some very shitty consequences. I’ve seen people get modded for shit I get away with a here and there. The way all that went down was deeply dissapointing.

Thank you. Incidentally I’ve been looking for that last screenshot everywhere, I wanted to submit it to copypasta as a “leftists navy seal” pasta. Do you have the whole screenshot? Or even better the post in text format?
I’d also like to point out to the people who are arguing over lack of receipts for deaththreats: Frauddogg consistently threatened violence on people. Sure there’s no way void could do anything, but if that’s the standard, shouldn’t we all be allowed to threaten each other as much as we want?
Anyway for further lack of receipts: I don’t take screenshots or archive or save or commit to memory posts that make me sad. I don’t save any posts, but still.

Just because there’s no receipts (even though there is) it’s not like this isn’t a known issue. A year or two ago there was massive drama about some vegan user who regularly told people to kys. It took ages for any mod action then. At the same time I’ve gotten comments removed for telling people to suck my ass. Just like how we all get frustrated with libs who act obtuse so as to avoid engaging in an actual discussion, we have a tendency to do the same, when the discussion is one where we feel uncomfortable. Especially if we might have to cede that we could do better in actual practical ways rather than vague platitudes.

Another example of this is users who are very clearly alts of banned users. I know last big drama thread finally ended up with red-renewal-cosmonaut getting banned, as if it was not an obvious alt.

In general it seems to me that there’s a lot of people who assume the absolute worst of other users. I wish we had more empathy on this site.
Last thread was incredibly hurtful. I’m a wrecker doing some nefarious long con apparently. I’m secretly working to undermine the site culture and I am actually misogynist (this also came up in my recent discussion post) who wants to… turn a site with a userbase of 900 people into a new 4chan? I don’t understand this mentality. I dislike a lot of you, i disagree with a lot of you, but I at least assume (or try to, sometimes it gets too hard with some of the things I get called) that you’re coming from a place of good intentions.
it seems to me like there’s a group of people here who perceive “disagreeing with them” as being inherently reactionairy.

This turned in to a bit of a rant and I went off on a wild tangent. I’m sorry.

Anyway thank you so much dustbunnies.

I dunno. I liked a lot of frauddogs posts and consider confrontation to bad ideas to be very good. However, only dishing heat and not being able to take it is a bad look. Its also pretty wild how its even possible to square US military history as good with all the anti imperialist discussions frauddogg partook in

would void have felt compelled to delete null’s account when the troop thing came up?

Users who justify being part of the U$ military should be mocked and banned. We don’t let clean Wehrmacht people in here, and we shouldn’t let them in either. If I had been able to see the comments before deletion I probably would have posted a at null.

I have a lot to say about frauddogg, but I’ll say these:

1. Frauddogg has done innumerable harm to the POC here because through Frauddogg’s lack of disclosure as a vet, arrogant attitude, and disgraceful exit, nobody is going to take what Frauddogg said seriously. Whatever potential for self-growth that could’ve happened with respect to unexamined white privilege among some users has been lost because they’ll just mentally say, “Lol, fuck you, I don’t have to take this shit from a baby butcher. How about you selfcrit for invading a sovereign country instead of getting on my case for being racist?”

2. The circumstances of Frauddogg’s exit had also planted a seed in many people’s heads, which is that the anger isn’t actually genuine or coming from having to live as a member of a marginalized community, but due to some personal inadequacies or grievances instead. For Frauddogg’s case, it would be being a former member of one of the most anti-POC organizations in world history.

3. Frauddogg, despite the baggage of being a US soldier and messaging that rubbed some people the wrong way, was more right than wrong when it came to how weird Hexbear is towards POC. There’s are some things I didn’t agree with, but the broad message is largely true.

4. There are plenty of POC who are as angry and confrontational as Frauddogg was but unlike Frauddogg, lack the baggage of being a US soldier. They are as angry as Frauddogg was, but they do not have the same baggage as Frauddogg.

5. However, if those POC somehow make it here, the seed that Frauddogg planted in many people’s heads would’ve bared fruit. And the fruit is “oh, you’re just angry because you’re overcompensating for having skeletons in your closet. You’re angry because you are a vet/grew up with white people and are overcompensating because you are insecure about your racial identity/are biracial who’s raised by the white side of your family/blah blah blah. Your anger is not coming from a genuine place, so we shouldn’t have to respect your anger nor interrogate why you feel so angry because your anger is a personal problem, not a symptom of a systemic issue.”

I think this will have further repercussions that I haven’t foreseen yet. I’ve seen some people claim that Frauddogg was a wrecker and other people insist that Frauddogg actually quit because of how unwelcoming Hexbear is towards POC and not because of the disclosure. This is not good for the site at all.

I did not care for that poster’s screaming at the computer screen and am glad to read of null departure. I always thought it was a wrecker account and came to this site less after the popularity contest

I agree with this, that user posted two specific comments relatively recently that I felt were excessively vitriolic and should’ve been removed in the very least. This is addition to the baseline sustained hostility, a little thing I noticed a while back that was also inappropriate, and a clear case of one rule not being enforced with this user. When it came out that user was in the military that only made things worse.

I thought fraudogg self-deleted after going on a bender about being a troop?

that’s something you can gripe at the people doing so in the news megathread. Or gripe at the mods in there too.

wait a second shit I’m one of them

This is one reason that whole situ doesn’t make sense to me.

Ppl just saying shit and maybe it makes sense in some context I don’t have.

but literally hypertext links are the whole concept of the World Wide (WWW). Why not just provide them?

I came back a day or so ago.

There was more to it than the initial event, but many changes have been made as a result and I’m content.

some of those users are around on alts, readfanon was not banned, awoo had a temp ban that expired over a week back.

pm me your foucaults is banned

Fanon isn’t banned, I chat with her all the time.

Awoo came back 2 days ago.

The big sad as temp-banned me from functioning but I’m still here. No ETA on when I’ll be active again, nothing to worry about, and nothing to do with this site or anything external.

I don’t have the capacity to deal with much more than the basics. Could I ask that you edit your comment to remove my username or to put strike-thru formatting on it so that I don’t become the center of drama that I’m unable to address at present? I’d really appreciate it.

I mentioned this when all this drama originally started but this site falls into the same pitfalls as small leftist organisations IRL that develop cliques around vocal members and inevitably split over personal issues (Or become a Maoist polycule which I don’t think will be an issue for Hexbear)

I do think if you’re a moderator the most important skill is identifying the difference between wreckers/problematic users and someone who just makes bad posts once in a while. Good moderation outside of the janitor work is essentially just having the social skills to read the vibe and mediate disputes which many asocial/neurodivergent people lack. Nothing wrong with that but you should be able to look at yourself and see that if you lack those skills you are probably not suited for being a spokesperson for a community.

Every post should have its own community.

I can’t wait for lemmy to develop comment level locks to reduce the amount of

That’s a great emote omg