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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutānāpaste it into its own post ā thereās no quota for posting and the bar really isnāt that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
apparent list of forbidden words in nsf grants
https://elk.zone/mathstodon.xyz/@sc_griffith/113947483650679740
Apparently āTraumaā is banned. Thatās going to be a problem.
This is what happens when you give power to bigoted morons.
Note: Theyāre all problems. Just āTrauma" is kind of extra-important because of its use as a medical term.
Trauma surgery, Barotrauma, Traumatic Brain Injury, Penetrating Trauma, Blunt Trauma, Abdominal Trauma, Polytrauma, Etc.
"Gender Neuralā
That typo is probably going to screw a lot of Neuroscience grants just because itāll match on some dumb regex.
Also, apparently Hispanic and Latino people donāt exist?
courtesy of 404media: fuck almighty itās all my nightmares all at once including the one where an amalgamation of the most aggressively mediocre VPs Iāve ever worked for replaces everything with AI and nobody stops them because tech is fucked and the horrors have already been normalized
at long last, we have found genai use case
result: decisive chinese cultural victory
+6 culture generation for each person gooning under a portrait of xi jinping. chinaās borders will expand quickly
ah yes, content from the well-known community mod
Cursid Meier
He who controls the goons controls the universe. No wait that is only in EVE online.
Anyone matched the list of names of the dinguses currently wrecking US agencies from the inside with known LW or HN posters?
at least one matches, i forget the name but itās all over bsky
Matches for HN or LW?
We know one of them retweeted groypers as well.
LW, one is an actual LW poster
Mein gottā¦
new class of kook just dropped
existing class of kook - hooks into the Zizians
do these kooks follow single inheritance or multiple inheritance rules? Iām a bit more worried about the latter
lol, multiple
how do you reckon? not sure I directly see the overlap (and while admittedly I havenāt gotten to dive full depth on the zizians, the bits I did get to so far struck me as what would happen if adolescent spock became a logical extremist)
I was struck by the outright āhey weāve got cult campā kitted out in whatever-the-fuck theyāve done to (one of the strands of?) buddhism while also pitching this on-surface as āpeople are cyborgs nowā
although it did remind me of how much buddhist and related reading+pondering I saw in the postrat scenes, and now Iām wondering if thatās a thing that I missed in others of this before
Buddhist thinking has always been a big undercurrent (at least compared to the rest of the western world) in the hacker/computer science world, so doesnt have to come from anything LW related.
so thereās a whole network of specifically Thiel-associated SF tech guys who are into particular churches
itās above-baseline among the tpots (at least relative to other areas Iāve observed it)
Compared to the hacker baseline that is odd indeed.
This community is for those willing to bring wisdom and compassion into the world. It is not for those easily duped by what they find in their minds or online.
no red flags there
edit to add: Emphasis in original
It is not for those easily duped by what they find in their minds or online.
fuck I hate when my own brain dupes me into getting on the internet
1990s dialup: barely only once
looking for advice/suggestions:
anyone seen anything yet (uBlock ruleset, {tamper,grease}monkey scripts, etc) that can block the ātalk to our promptā widgets that have started showing up on too many fucking webpages? Iām getting sick of the things, and I havenāt really yet found an exhaustive list of this shit from which to build up a list
@froztbyte @dgerard you have an example of those?
of things Iāve found in the space that do address this somewhat includes this (a list of domains of either explicitly full of slop or heavily supporting slop)
brave supposedly has something as well but, well, itās brave so itās a non-starter
this is a now-archived project that maintained a list of chat widgets
regarding instances of widgets, off the top of my head some places where Iāve seen chat prompts unhelpfully placed: pluginboutique.com, hetzner.com, most aws doc and product pages (āExplainerā). I think hydro.run also had some trash popping up (I have a block for it), but canāt recall under which section
(DDG also pops some up constantly unless you have the cookies set, but that fails in fresh browser instances)
OAI announced their shiny new toy: DeepResearch (still waiting on DeeperSeek). A bot built off O3 which can crawl the web and synthesize information into expert level reports!
Noam is coming after you @dgerard, but donāt worry he thinks itās fine. Iām sure his new bot is a reliable replacement for a decentralized repository of all human knowledge freely accessible to all. Iām sure this new system doesnāt fail in any embarrassing wa-
After posting multiple examples of the model failing to understand which player is on which team (if only this information was on some sort of Internet Encyclopedia, alas), Professional AI bully Colin continues: āI assume that in order to cure all disease, it will be necessary to discover and keep track of previously unknown facts about the world. The discovery of these facts might be a little bit analogous to NBA players getting traded from team to team, or aging into new roles. OpenAIās āDeep Researchā agent thinks that Harrison Barnes (who is no longer on the Sacramento Kings) is the Kingsā best choice to guard LeBron James because he guarded LeBron in the finals ten years ago. Itās not well-equipped to reason about a changing worldā¦ But if it canāt even deal with these super well-behaved easy facts when they change over time, you want me to believe that it can keep track of the state of the system of facts which makes up our collective knowledge about how to cure all diseases?ā
xcancel link if anyone wants to see some more glorious failure cases:
https://xcancel.com/colin_fraser/status/1886506507157585978#m
itās amazing how intensely these assholes want to end Wikipedia and pollute all other community information sources beyond repair. it feels like itās all part of the same strategy:
- without consent, scrape all the information from an online source as destructively as you can
- if possible, render that source useless by polluting it with LLM crap
- otherwise, shut it down through political means
- now that youāve pulled the ladder up behind you, replace that information source with your garbage LLM and start rentseeking harder than Netflix
āAligning people is hard tooā a thing that only a literal sociopath would think and only a special kind of sociopath would utter publicly
Remember when Scott wrote the ādont talk like robots ya nerdsā article? Good times.
in which karpathy goes āeh, fuckitā:
karpathy tweet text
Thereās a new kind of coding I call āvibe codingā, where you fully give in to the vibes, embrace exponentials, and forget that the code even exists. Itās possible because the LLMs (e.g. Cursor Composer w Sonnet) are getting too good. Also I just talk to Composer with SuperWhisper so I barely even touch the keyboard. I ask for the dumbest things like ādecrease the padding on the sidebar by halfā because Iām too lazy to find it. I āAccept Allā always, I donāt read the diffs anymore. When I get error messages I just copy paste them in with no comment, usually that fixes it. The code grows beyond my usual comprehension, Iād have to really read through it for a while. Sometimes the LLMs canāt fix a bug so I just work around it or ask for random changes until it goes away. Itās not too bad for throwaway weekend projects, but still quite amusing. Iām building a project or webapp, but itās not really coding - I just see stuff, say stuff, run stuff, and copy paste stuff, and it mostly works.
skipping past the implicit assumption of āwell, just have a bunch of money to be able to keep throwing the autoplag at the wall until something sticksā, the admissions of not giving a single fuck about anything, and the straight and plain āwell, it often just doesnāt work like we keep promising it doesā, imagine being this fucking incurious and void of joy
Iām left wondering if this bastard is running through the stages of grief (at being thrown out), because this sure as fuck reads like despair to me
I ask for the dumbest things like ādecrease the padding on the sidebar by halfā because Iām too lazy to find it
this is so much slower (in both keystrokes and raw time, not to mention needing to re-prompt) and much more expensive than just going into the fucking CSS and pressing the 3 buttons needed to change the padding for that selector, and the only reason why this would ever be hard is because theyāre knee deep in LLM generated slop and they canāt find fucking anything in there. what a fucking infuriating way to interact with a machine.
come on donāt you like waiting 1s+ for every single action you ever want to take? itās the hot new thing
React has entered the chat (donāt try talking to it yet though, it has to āasynchronouslyā load every individual UI element in the jankiest way possible)
This reinforces my judgment that the ultimate customers for code-completion models are people who donāt actually want to be writing code in the first place.
So after billions of investment, and gigawatt-hours of energy, itās now ānot too bad for throwaway weekend projectsā. Wow, great. Letās fire all the programmers already!
Apart from whatever the fuck that process is, it is not engineering.
And to think that people hated on Visual Basic onceā¦ in comparison to this stuff, it was the most solid of solid foundations.
thatād be easily terawatt-hours i think. just muskās server farmās generators are 100MW, and draw who knows how much from grid, and if it runs for a year and two months at that power thatās 1TWh. and thereās google, ms, amazon, whatever chinese are cooking,
So after billions of investment, and gigawatt-hours of energy, itās now
on the level of a ābuild your own websiteā site. They are the wysiwyg users now.
The blue check reaction to the totally cracked treasury zoomers showcases a complete rejection of the importance of domain knowledge. Itās 10x software engineer syndrome metastasized.
Theyāre saying that the ice cream hair kid - who has never worked on a real world system because heās STILL IN COLLEGE - is going to do us proud because he translated a greek scroll in high school? Good for him, but so what? Ben Carson split babies in half like Solomon and heās still a moron.
I wonder if one of the reasons theyāre so young is thatās the age youād have to be to not realize in how much legal trouble they might be putting themselves in. (Bar an eventual pardon from Trump.)
Also the age where you are easily impressed by a supposed genius, actual billionaire, āmeme lordā who sort of speaks your language (but due to your age you have not noticed only in the most shallow way), who showers you with attention. While also filled with the righteous fury of wanting to act on your ideology.
Donāt worry they will use ChatGPT to learn all the COBOL they need.
(One of my pet peeves in software is bad documentation (always fun when the comments and the documentation contradict, and after an hour of digging through the email archives you discover both are wrong, and nobody every cared to update either, as the email was enough), but lol if that is what saves the US gov (and look at how bad it has gotten, Iām rooting for the US gov now. If I ever want to be seen as worthwhile I will try to hire Musk to get mad at me, it worked for Zuck (a little bit))).
Donāt worry they will use ChatGPT to learn all the COBOL they need.
Oh why would they. They will just rewrite it from scratch in a weekend, right? And reading the original code would only pollute the mind with historic knowledge, and that stands in the way of disruptive innovation.
(btw I appreciate your correctly nested parentheses.)
(btw I appreciate your correctly nested parentheses.)
I once fucked those up and people got mad. (I kid, they pointed out I usually use them correctly). I mostly use parentheses to note that im going a bit offtrack, which keeps happening, it is a bad habit.
Myself Iāve learned to embrace the em dashālike so, with a special shoutout to John Greenāand interleaving
( [ { } ] ). On mac and linux conveniently short-cutted to Option+Shift+ā-ā, windows is a much less satisfying Alt+0150 without third party tools like AutoHotKey.I write
--for āen dashā andfor āem dashā and I end up looking like an asshole in emails a lot. However, they appear to work correctly here:en: --en: ā
em: ---em: āAlso, Gnome Characters can be useful, though I have been looking for a good replacement.
I like to use
--in plain text too! LaTeX user high fiveā¦?Although I read somewhere recently that some people consider usage of em-dashes as a sign of AI-generated text. Oh well.
LaTeX user high fiveā¦?
I need to finish crying over all my underfull hboxes, can we high-five in the evening?
Thank you for implicitly reminding me to take my ADD meds.
balancing parentheses is why I draft all my comments in emacs
Somebody pointed out that HNās management is partially to blame for the situation in general, on HN. Copying their comment here because itās the sort of thing Dan might blank:
but I donāt want to get hellbanned by dang.
Who gives a fuck about HN. Consider the notion that dang is, in fact, partially to blame for this entire fiasco. He runs an easy-to-propagandize platform due how much control of information is exerted by upvotes/downvotes and unchecked flagging. Itās caused a very noticeable shift over the past decade among tech/SV/hacker voices ā the dogmatic following of anything that Musk or Thiel shit out or say, this community laps it up without hesitation. Users on HN learn what sentiment on a given topic is rewarded and repeat it in exchange for upvotes.
I look forward to all of it burning down so we can, collectively, learn our lessons and realize that building platforms where discourse itself is gamified (hn, twitter, facebook, and reddit) is exactly what led us down this path today.
wow the sanewashing of trump in those threads is insane
Somewhat related I was thinking about how different this blog post from a DOGE āemployeeā reads during Elon Musks coup attempt: https://vinay.sh/i-am-rich-and-have-no-idea-what-to-do-with-my-life/ ā it was discussed here but no one really knew what was coming at the time.
Thereās also a youtube video which has been popping off on social media over the last week and is a gentle introduction to techno-fascists for the general public.
dāyaā¦dāya think theyāll make it all the way along the path, to the realization?
no
The ones who walk towards Omelas. (And Omelas is fine actually, you damn hippy).
āWhy Donāt We Just Kill the Kid In the Omelas Holeā by Isabel J. Kim
Finally it turns out torturing the kid was unnecessary and spreading out the suffering would have worked fine. All Omelas had to do was raise their income tax a little bit.
Penny Arcade weighs in on deepseek distilling chatgpt (or whatever actually the deal is):
āWow, this Penny Arcade comic featuring toxic yaoi of submissive Sam Altman is lowkey kinda hotā is a sentence neither I nor any LLM, Markov chain or monkey on a typewriter could have predicted but now exists.
Kelsey Piper continues to bluecheck:
Scott Alexander was accused of being secretly a right-wing racist and hiding it to avoid getting cancelled, and I think a bunch of his followers believed it, and now theyāre shocked and hurt that heās actually the sincere center left guy he said he was the whole time.
(Via.)
(For convenience: The leaked e-mails in which he admits to being secretly racist and hiding it to avoid getting cancelled. And his endorsement of super-racist Richard Lynn from last month.)
The use of the word sincere here bothers me.
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Also, I donāt know that people are particularly concerned about the left/right spectrum as much as the explicitly racist and tacitly authoritarian sentiments. Like, if your vision of āthe leftā includes Scott, AOC, and Karl Marx then you have basically defined the left/right spectrum to be meaningless.
Her talk of people being ādesperateā for Scoot to be racist suggests a dismally gamified view of life. I mean, heās a racist. However I feel about that, it doesnāt change the basic fact. Sheās playing for a weird gotcha of some kind that could only ever make sense if you (a) regard writing as point-scoring and also (b) accept Richard Lynn-ism as science.
really enjoying (?) the implication that anything less than extreme genocidal resentment is considered left of centre these days
Anybody can be left of center if the overton window shifts enough far right. He doesnt want to sterilize ALL minorities so clearly he is an ally.
