• davesmith@feddit.uk
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    5 hours ago

    I don’t believe Nigel Farage for one second.

    There is absolutely no doubt that immigration has battered poor, former working class people in the UK. From perfectly decent people of Eastern European origin taking the role of scab labour, undermining pay and conditions, leading to the misery of zero hours contracts, to difficulty getting any unskilled work, to the ‘benefits’ system and healthcare being absolutely hammered.

    This simply isn’t sustainable.

    The coming climate refugee crisis will make this look like a picnic. The line is going to be drawn, it is only a matter of when. We have missed all of the chances to minimise the impact of climate change, and help developing world countries achieve a demographic transition to a low birth rate future, without exploiting their fossil fuel reserves. It is too late.

    Net migration to June 2024: 728,000. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/

    Multiply that by ten gives you 7.28 million - nearly the number of people in London. This is primary school maths. You have wasted my time once, I will not have it wasted again.

    And for the record, I am believing Oxford University, the link I provided, not Nigel Farage. Who are you believing? (This is a rhetorical question, I am not interested in an answer.)

    I know that people want to feel good about themselves, and they also want a high consumption lifestyle (that is most contributing now to the future climate change refugee crisis). Political liberalism covers the hard fist of neo-liberal economics with a soft and fuzzy veneer of socially liberal policy. Neo-liberals don’t want to feel racist while consuming an amount that destroys others. Unfortunately for many people in countries like the UK, neo-liberalism’s sell by date is passing. The result in our case is the rise of Reform, Trump, and other far right parties across Europe.

    You all just assume that is what I want. In fact I want the opposite.

    You are currently incapable of dealing, or unwilling to deal with reality. This inability or unwillingness is contributing directly the Reform’s rise to power. This need to feel good about yourself while not only failing to be adult enough to deal with reality, while at the same time insulting and making incorrect assumptions about me is genuinely pathetic. You are an embarrassment. Most won’t be able to learn so the rise of the far right it is very likely to be. Well done.

    • HumanPenguin@feddit.uk
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      4 hours ago

      There is absolutely no doubt that immigration has battered poor, former working class people in the UK. From perfectly decent people of Eastern European origin taking the role of scab labour, undermining pay and conditions, leading to the misery of zero hours contracts, to difficulty getting any unskilled work, to the ‘benefits’ system and healthcare being absolutely hammered.

      Yeah bollocks. Immigration has nothing to do with lack of low skilled jobs.

      Exported labour is the huge cost. The UK simply not making thing in the UK. Immigration is nothing but distraction.

      The whole argument that less available staff increases wages collapse when other nations have lower cost labour.

      All reducing staff dose is make the UK as a whole less competitive cost wise. And move even more low skilled jobs to other cheaper nations.

      The immigration debate is nothing but a wealthy business owners tactic to stop voters recognising the real problem.