https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/14knc6t/got_r4d_for_pirating_someone_elses_john_oliver_so/
Pirates want to stay on Reddit? This is the last group I had expected to have such a reaction, but here we are. Yes, the mod could have worded it better, but these people actually want to stick around on Reddit.
I personally find Lemmy to be a perfectly viable alternative to Reddit for such subs. I wonder about the reasons why these people still don’t want to move.
To be fair, anyone who actually cares is not on reddit anymore, so you’re seeing the worst of the worst takes.
A lot of people on r/piracy are pirates by convenience, not by ethics. The sub being shut down is not convenient for them. It’s really sad to see how many people have the attention span of a goldfish, and can’t think beyond “this isn’t convenient for me today.”
Pirates by ethics = root of socialism, anarchism?
Pirates by convenience = root of capitalism and imperialism?
For me, at least, there are companies worth pirating stuff from. I don’t pretend to be ethical in any way, although I do avoid pirating from indie devs. It’s been a long while since I pirated anything, tbh. I just like the community here and it’s nice to keep up with the news.
Exactly. I don’t pirate too much, I’m happy just playing my favorite video games (paid for because they are good) and talking in chat rooms, but if I wanted to play a Nintendo Game with friends I would 100% pirate it; it’s ethical in this case and I have really no other way to do it.
Especially their back catalog. Nintendo is sitting on tons of lost money for reasons I don’t really understand
If they sold the old games still piracy rates would probably go down and they would get more money, so it would be pretty much a win-win for Nintendo. Or am I missing something?
No, you’re right, and that’s absolutely what I’m saying. Presently, the only avenue if you want to relive the old Pokémon games is to steal them. That, if you ask me, is big dumb
Ah, okay. Guess I’ll just keep pirating Nintendo games then, half because I hate Nintendo and half because it’s the only way to get them now.
Well I certainly don’t give a fuck about ethics so I just pirate cuz I want. And on that note I also use reddit sometimes because why not. I’m not here ideologically, just cuz it’s a nice place to be in. I like it here. I use lemmy more than Reddit nowadays. Reddit is a source of information and sometimes memes. Lemmy for the good place to be in.
People are dumb bud… there is, just a lot of plain dumb people out there.
Why? Idk bud, people are dumb just that no more questions about it. People are dumb.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
- George Carlin
Some days I think “People can’t possibly be that dumb, right?” and them I’m let down every time, 'cause they are.
Seems to apply to everything involving people.
To not even mention other animals.
It’s important to note that the default state of people is being dumb. It takes effort, exposure and more qualities/circumstances during a person’s early years to not be dumb.
Many people just didn’t grow up in an environment that allows that, it’s actually a quite specific one that doesn’t happen automatically.
And once the early life phase is over, mental plasticity is a lot lower, so very very few people go from “dumb” to “not dumb”.
If you want to be less dumb, I can really recommend https://lesswrong.com/rationality
What do you expect? All sensible people are probably already left the sub at this point, as evidenced by all those comments in the post you linked.
Mass scale brain drain that’s only going to get worse
I feel like they don’t understand the point of the john oliver posts. Someone said it only turns the community to shit. Yeah, that is LITERALLY the reason so that people migrate away and turn reddit into a mess after spez’s decision. Oh, how quickly people forgot about the protest, spez was right.
My favourite are the comments of people saying “return the sub back to normal, this shit is stupid and isn’t doing anything! I don’t even use Apollo so I don’t care” - posted from Boost for Reddit.
A lot of people don’t even understand. They genuinely think this only affects Apollo and that Christian is being a baby lol. Can’t wait to see their faces when their app stops working and they whine.
they’ll have to manage using the Reddit app to whine, so there will be a delay!
Or they’ll feel stupid and try to pretend the official app is great.
A year ago I tried using the official app because people would chat with me, and I would miss them. Lasted about 3 days before I couldn’t handle it anymore. It’s so bad.
Now spez has deleted all my accounts and IP banned me, so I don’t even need to worry lmao.
I’ve seen someone unironically whine about how the mods were harming more users than Reddit mods. And of course, r/AskReddit’s pseudo-neutrality is infuriating.
to be fair what’s happening is the folks who didn’t jump ship are now the loudest voices. Good luck with that brain drain reddit
People’s resistance to change is quite strong, even if they have good reason to leave and lemmy/fediverse are great alternatives the fact is that in terms of UX lemmy can be quite different and takes some time to find and rebuild a list of communities to join, specially since you can have the same community on different servers (i.e. technology on beehaw vs technology on lemmy.world) and just this fact means a learning curve for people that for the most part don’t like change.
For example, the NewPipe community on
lemmy.mlis tiny and pretty much dead, whereas the Reddit one was much more active. Communities like that which have reopened might make people want to stay on Reddit, unfortunately.Laziness and the pull towards the familiar are powerful reinforcers of the status quo…
This is actually something I think might be concerning in the long run. Reddit’s current direction has driven away a contingent of users who tend to share similar moral values; Lemmy’s userbase tends pretty left with a lot of content here being anti-capitalist and pro-marginalized groups. It makes sense that decentralized federated networks would be attractive to those subsets of users.
What I’m afraid of is that this will create a vacuum in which Reddit becomes even more of a breeding grounds for right-wing rhetoric and propaganda without the presence of these users to balance it out a bit. I know that as a Reddit-addicted teen, I hovered dangerously close to some pretty disgusting ideologies. Thankfully I discovered some leftist communities which expanded my narrow worldview and veered me to a much happier path. I don’t think reddit as a platform will die, but I fear those communities might, and I shudder to think at what reddit could become without them.
So basically Twitter v2
There are always two things in combative balance when dealing with liberatory politics. They are the benefits of sticking around and having conversations about liberatory politics, and the costs of sticking around when there’s little to no productive discussion going on. Reddit, I do not believe, is currently in a place where anyone but the most anti-capitalist or anti-moderation advocates will believe that continued participation on the platform will remain beneficial. For me, I’m in the former super anti-capitalist group, and I no longer wish to provide monetary value to a platform that’s being run in a non-inclusive manner. I, however, am self-aware enough to realize I might be bailing from communities that could still benefit from discussion early, so I won’t hold it against anyone who still wants to stay there and keep fighting. Worth noting, the anti-capitalist and the anti-moderation free speech absolutist are not necessarily friends, and in fact probably aren’t.
Anyway. The second position. The position where things are too far gone that the most beneficial thing to do is to leave and to advocate for leaving, and to advocate for external intervention. This is where I view Twitter as being. The benefit of staying on Twitter to keep it from becoming an alt-right echo chamber has evaporated, and the platform can no longer be saved from the abusive and exploitative owner and ownership group. By staying on Twitter, you are no longer helping guide conversations in a positive direction, you are only giving people a hook to keep them on a harmful platform.
It’s hard, possibly impossible, to recognize where on the sliding scale of beneficial to stay and beneficial to leave any community is on. I don’t have a good sign-off for this. I guess all I have to say in conclusion is that it’s hard.
Yes, I noticed that too. When looking at reddit now, it seems much more right-wing now…
Reddit just seems like it’s gone to shit recently, as I expected when they began killing 3rd party apps. But now that we have Lemmy, I don’t feel like I ever need to go back.
Yeah I don’t really think left nor right should be thrown in the mix. I don’t “reddit” much at all, but I’m def more right than I am left. I think it’s quite out of touch to believe Reddit is just right wing and is gonna get flooded with even more right wing people. In my experience I’ve seen more left wing on reddit. Maybe that’s just me. Or maybe our definitions of what really is right wing and left wing are a bit different. Idc much either way as long as I can see what I want online.
Just before this gets too off topic, please remember this is c/piracy, not c/politics. Any further political posts will get removed.
It’s instetesting for the subject of Piracy in particular. Participating in obtaining digital goods has most often been a “take it or leave it” standard. You’ve always had to “go where the action is” if not desperately trying to get invited ( Demonoid era).
They will come to their senses when they need there warez as they always do.
Good ole Demonoid. Takes me back.
It’s like BitTorrent. There’s seeders and then there’s leechers who just want their free stuff and stop sharing immediately afterwards.
Some have more principle than others.
I think you mean there are Lemmy users (qbittorrent) and Reddit users (utorrent).
Can’t convince them what they’re using is bad and that there are better alternatives.
Still can’t believe people use uTorrent even though it became malware so long ago. Like come on guys, really? There are a ton of way better clients like qBit and Transmission, and they are just stuck in their own ways to their detriment.
I think the craziest part is those who know, so they stay on a “safe” version released in 2010…
Nothing like using a 13 year old piece of software despite there being way better up to date alternatives.
Okay, that’s just crazy. I have been beginning to suspect people are a lot dumber than I originally thought, and this helps confirm that.
I have friends who still default to utorrent. Every time I see their desktops with utorrent in the taskbar, I let out an audible WTF and show them the light (qBittorrent).
I’m not sure I’m able to seed, unfortunately. College network doesn’t seem to like port forwarding, and Mullvad disabled port forwarding recently. That and I don’t have a lot of storage space and I’m worried about getting a scary letter from my ISP. At least the scene I’m in is more DDL-based than torrent-based. Makes things easier.
/r/Piracy
That’s not the real games piracy sub anyways. The true successor of the scene-watching community is and always was /r/CrackWatch and even there people are very aware that they’re not contributors, just spectators. So basically, it was a place for movies piracy, and movies piracy is and always been the most piss easy, top result on google piracy around. I haven’t gone on a single website to pirate movies in a decade, shit is all searchable either directly on qBit and deluge or on tracker tools.
They don’t want to come over, so what? They’re irrelevant. A wiki service reddit, barely anything else. A place for people who unironically install uTorrent and don’t even know what the u stands for.
That’s why it kind of surprises me that https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/piracy is packed but https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/crackwatch is basically a ghost town.
Yeah I don’t need to know about every single thing that comes out immediately, or the latest drama that empress decided to vomit into an .nfo file. I’m here for discussion about sources and methods, I know what I’m looking for and who I trust to repack it.
To me, finding out about new releases is the most interesting part since I already know basically as much as I’d need to about how this sort of stuff works.
Ωμ
People probably don’t know what the u in uTorrent stands for, because there is no u in μTorrent. Quite ironic that you are coming at them like this and fuck it up yourself haha
Because mu is so easy to type on a standard keyboard.
I didn’t fuck it up unintentionally.
Sure my boy
It’s so hard to join lemmy now, and everything lags in lemmy even just an upvote…
Sorry to hear that, but I’m guessing that might be related to your specific instance. So far I’m really happy with mine, but some are evidently struggling to keep up with the influx of Rexxiters. (and bots, maybe?)
Anyway, nothing preventing you from hitting the Fediverse from a different instance, yeah?
Come join the rest of us sh.itheads on sh.itjust.works!
same thing is happening to me. I might try making an account on another instance
True. This should get better over time though! There’s not a lot of optimistic UI in Remmy and that causes the app to feel a lot slower. There’s a lot of PRs up rn to improve the frontend so maybe something will make it in soon!
I haven’t been able to upvote a post in a few days.
Every one just sits there for 60s then:
SyntaxError: Unexpected token '<', "<html> <h"... is not valid JSONThis is definitely instance related. I have not experienced any issues what so ever since joining.
I’ve not had any issues? Try another instance, Lemmy.world is very popular and works well.
I’m having lag on lemmy.world. Sometimes just spins for 5+ minutes just to upvote. Sometimes posts won’t create at all, just spins and spins.
Hm, perhaps clear cache? They recently upgraded and that can fix some issues.
Can’t even open that link on phone without app. Real Pirates wish to be free.
“I am not going to conquer anything. The one who is the most free…is the pirate king!” -monkey d luffy
This is basically how Archer became king of pirate island
Hi, I use old reddit. I think if you visit the page with old reddit and switch to desktop mode you should be able to open the page on mobile.
Just let 'em. Splitting a community isn’t nice but i don’t see another solution here. Maybe this is kind of a diet for us and slimming will be a chance for us.
I mean exactly. I’m 99% sure these folks weren’t contributing anything of substance in the first place
Yeah I imagine anyone with real knowledge that was contributing has jumped ship at this point.
This applies to most other bigger subreddits too. You could go into subs with millions of subscribers, but in the comments it was always still the same handful of people actually contributing useful things.
I imagine most people are like me and have an old account and communities they like.
It’s similar to why people don’t e.g. flee states like Florida.
It’s kinda dumb, but I get the feeling. They should just realize they can use both sites
That’s understandable. I actually find it refreshing to walk away from the baggage of nearly a decade old account, but I have the luxury of the communities I care about (all two and a half of them) having already migrated (or split, take your pick).
Yeah. I have a few subs I’ll probably keep visiting from my pc, but the rest mostly exists here already.
Honestly a lot of people who casually use reddit, probably don’t know and aren’t deep enough into the reddit world to care much
Yes, a combination of the Principle of Least Effort and the Pareto Principle probably. 80% of people don’t know, and of the 20% that do, 80% find it too much trouble to do anything about it.
I also think there’s an element of time spent with Reddit. For some of us who’ve been with the site for over a decade, this is the last straw with Reddit. For many others, its their first incident.
What else has happened?
What else has happened? 👀
In no particular order:
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The CEO Spez decided to edit comments that were directed at insulting him to insult that subreddit’s moderators instead (it was a Trump subreddit, but even so), with no indication that the comments had been edited.
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Reddit’s redesign, barely anyone who used the old design likes the new one. At least they kept the old one.
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Removal of exact Upvote/Downvote numbers like we have here only giving an overall “score”. Later followed by obfuscation of the true value, supposedly due to bot vote manipulation.
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The “jailbait” subreddit, which featured images of girls who looked close to being or actually underage, and some likely WERE underage, was allowed to exist for an extended peiod of time. Reddit also gave the guy that ran it “a gold-plated bobblehead doll “for making significant contributions to the site.”” reportedly.
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Installed an interim CEO, Ellen Pao, who was there solely to take the blame for some controversial changes like banning some fairly popular if not great subreddits. It was later revealed that wasn’t even her decision.
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Ellen Pao was also put under fire for supposedly firing Victoria Taylor, who is a very connected individual and was responsible for many of the site’s celebrity/notable people AMAs (Ask Me Anything), including guiding them through the interface and what not so they could capably deliver said AMAs. She was actually fired by Alexis Ohanian, who is one of the founders of Reddit, has worked there on and off, and is currently Executive Chairman from what I can see.
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That time Reddit as a community decided to hold a witchhunt over the Boston Marathon bombings and misidentified the culprit. Not really the admins fault technically, but it could perhaps have been prevented by them.
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The rampant issues with bots, most of Reddit’s top posts of the day and their initial comments are entirely reposted content by bots. Very little seems to be done to remove them.
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Also the rampant issues with power users and power moderators. Why exactly can one individual be put in charge of hundreds of semi-popular/popular subreddits?
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In addition to the site redesign, the implementation of things like a chat function on top of the DM function, NFTs, Reddit Premium, different rewards and tiers other than Gold (Reddit Silver used to be a joke for those who didn’t want to do Gold), online statuses, avatars, coins, and probably some other stuff I’m forgetting, were all generally unwanted. Most didn’t cause that much of a controversy, but I don’t know anybody who wouldn’t be happier if they were gone.
Probably something else I’m forgetting, but that’s what I remember most.
Omg thank you for the extensive comment… so much has happened
I can’t believe it
Gives me a different perspective… and now I feel pensive hm…
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I concur
Sink their bones to Davey Jones! The best of us have migrated to Lemmy
