Republican efforts to impeach President Joe Biden suffered a blow after fresh evidence emerged showing his bid to remove Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin in 2015 represented U.S. government policy.

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    It’s almost like the whole thing is a politically motivated false impeachment to try to discredit Trump being impeached twice. They only want to impeach Biden because they can then point and say “Biden was impeached too, it means nothing”

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      Premeditated whataboutism. Because that’s a great use of resources to benefit the country.

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      It’s a bit more urgent than that: The GOP knows they’re about to lose their majority in the house so this is the only chance they’ll get to do something like an impeachment. If they put it off any longer they’ll run out of time while the investigation committee follows a normal (intentionally slowed by opposition) congressional schedule. They know that the whole exercise will be pointless if they can’t get it done now because doing it any later will result in the investigation committee having nothing to report in time for the next election.

      More importantly: They have no other ideas. They literally have no other bills or even inklings of an idea as to how to grab America’s attention in anything resembling a positive or even neutral light. They lost abortion as a wedge issue now that Roe V Wade was overturned so the GOP is basically out of ideas because while they love to hate immigrants and LGBTQ people they don’t have any politically useful legislation to bring up before the next election. Nothing they can pass to say, “see? We did something and the Democrats in the Senate blocked it!”

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        Don’t worry, they’re loading up every spending bill they can with bans for trans care.
        From Erin Reed:

        One of the many sticking points are provisions in the budget bill that target trans people in the military, hospitals that care for trans youth, trans health insurance, and VA trans care.

        Republicans will down the government, in at least some small part, over trans panic.

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        I just love the attitude that they’ll chase nonexistent bullshit to go after biden, while the government races towards a shutdown because these ASSHATS can’t run a country

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          They could run a country, into the ground, while lining the pockets of people who are already wealthy. The government shutdown bullshit they pull is obviously intentional. Their plan every time is to sabotage, obstruct and try to make things as horrible as possible while democrats are in power so they can point and say “see! The time under democrats was bad!!”.

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            Yup, it’s telling to me that clinton, obama and biden now have each come in and saved the economy from the idiots. clinton cleared the fuckin debt from the COLD WAR. That still blows my mind.

            Then Georgie comes in after and BLOOOP, some how haliburton is now very rich and the debt is somehow very large, and apparently we broke iraq… which apparently is expensive… oops… oh and the housing thing, uh, let’s just put that off again and again, someone else can address it, not like it’s gonna take the entire economy with it? psh

            Barry rolls in, stops a depression, stabilizes world confidence in the economic system, but fucker tried to give the poors health care, and wore a tan suit like a boss, so we’re gonna call him a muslim. Even after yeoman work rebuilding the economy.

            Trump comes in, gives his crones a tax break that literally accounted for 20-30% of the entire debt.

            Motherfucking conservatives man, why do they hate america?

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      All the GOP knows how to do is stroke Trump’s pathetic ego.

      Well, that, and their date while watching a musical, I guess.

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    It cant fall apart, cause it never had any structure to begin with. It was a pile of bullshit from the very beginning.

    Its all political theater to try to make Biden look as corrupt as Trump, and in desperation to find anything that will stick before the next election cycle.

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      Doesn’t even need to make him look corrupt, it reinforces “impeachment is just political theater” and makes Trump’s impeachment(s) retroactively more normalized.

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        It’s a trick that Republicans can only use once, because if it succeeds they’ll have tainted the idea of impeachment for a generation. They don’t care because they’re playing for all the marbles, trying to permanently cement one-party rule. Shit like this is one of the reasons why I call them the American Taliban without a trace of irony.

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    Link to the document .

    I’m always a big fan of primary sources to avoid any political spin. Looking at this doc it’s 100% clear that the State department was calling for Shokin’s removal and was instructing Biden on how to frame the conversation. Seems pretty clear cut.

    With that being said, I am 100% confident that this will have no impact on House Republican plans to pursue impeachment.

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      With that being said, I am 100% confident that this will have no impact on House Republican plans to pursue impeachment.

      they’ve never been the kind of folks who let evidence and facts get in the way

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      The public didn’t have the document until now, but you can bet Republican leaders & committee chairs at the very least were well aware of it, and the information that this was not only US Gov’t policy, but internationally backed by our allies has been widely reported since the beginning. I have to assume McCarthy knows and doesn’t care.

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    Not just US interests, but European and Ukrainian interests as well. There was a multi-national effort to remove Shokin. You think Joe Biden orchestrated all of that to get his son a cushy board membership? It’s laughable.

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    Of course it would. This is simply just retaliation from the GOP because their glorious former “leader” was impeached like, twice.

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      I spent MONTHS saying that on every subreddit I could find. It’s baffling to me why that never sunk in with even the casual observers of Trump’s impeachment. It’s like putting a spoon full of food in a toddler’s mouth and watching it ooze out because they still don’t even realize it’s there.

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      Their idiot viewers will take this as a continuation of a massive conspiracy against trump. Either way, this will still be a victory for the GQP at large. It’s impossible to reason with those that argue in bad faith.

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    This isn’t new information. It was already well-understood and discussed that Biden was simply following State Dept. directives on this and that it had nothing to do with Hunter or even his own preferences.

    It also isn’t a blow to the impeachment at all. They’ll likely follow through anyway even if there is literally no probable cause. Even if there isn’t even a pretend crime to name. Because there’s one huge similarity between the Trump impeachments and the Biden impeachment: the basis is that Republicans are scofflaws that will do whatever they want to get what they want.