A band of House conservatives Friday voted down a GOP bill to avoid a government shutdown. The vote marked a significant — and embarrassing — defeat for Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) …
I’m 100% positive that even if it included billions for a wall, being able to shoot migrants, and free teens for Geatz to rape it still would have been voted down. They want this shutdown.
Which is incredibly dumb.
Setting aside the damage to the economy and just looking at the politics of it:
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“Republicans hate our troops” is an easy attack. Enlisted service members tend to lean right, and stopping their pay (while still requiring them to work) is going to be a bad look. And all the Dems have to say is “hey look at what the Repubs did to our men and women in uniform.” Easy win.
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It’s obvious that the Republicans are at fault for the shutdown. And it’s obvious that they’re not going to get anywhere. They don’t have the votes. When we come out of this with a stupid temporary budget, the Repubs will have won nothing and will look even more incompetent.
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It gives the Dems easy talking points, while being difficult to defend by the Repubs. Anyone but Trump would get wrecked in a debate with Biden over this. (Trump never says anything coherent, and no one expects him to, which is a huge benefit in a debate. You simply can’t debate him effectively.)
Republicans are shooting themselves in the feet, and it’s going to bite them in the ass in the general. It just sucks that this will have lasting repercussions on the economy and the strength of the dollar worldwide…
Republican base voters happily died of covid asphyxiation in the tens of thousands during Trump’s administration. They do not know, they do not care.
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They want this shutdown.
Those 20, and likely a few more, really do. It’s insanity.
I think the fact the Trump is pretty close to the biblical definition of the antichrist is very attractive to a certain percentage of these ding-dongs. They feel they’re doing God’s work bringing about the end of days.
That’s what I mean, 20% of Americans see that and say “Hallelujah! He’s comin’ round the mountain!!”
They think if the world ends that means Jesus will show up.
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Yeah, the Republicans shouldn’t have cut taxes on the rich under Trump. Every Republican Congress has added to the deficit through tax cuts for the wealthy. It’s their only policy they never waver on.
To help the deficit, vote for Democrats. Republicans are bad with money and bad for the economy.
I think McCarthy and the more moderate ones don’t, they’ve been saying repeatedly that Republicans get the blame for shutdowns. Their far right caucus though is a bunch of fucking idiots and true believers.
I think McCarthy and the more moderate ones don’t
They clearly don’t. They are obviously frustrated AF with their “colleagues” because they are increasingly calling them out publicly and by name which is something that I don’t recall happening before. There’s about 20ish clowns in the HoR that simply aren’t going to be happy unless they manage to burn it all down.
McCarthy and his “moderates” could pass the budget (that he already agreed to) with Democratic support.
The only reason he isn’t is because he would lose his speakership.
This is down to one person not willing make the sacrifice in order to prevent millions of people from suffering.
They want a shutdown, and they want a recession. Recessions are great for the 1%.
They don’t care.
They won’t learn.
Sit back and watch the world burn.
They also won’t suffer, but a lot of innocent people will.
As polarization continues suffering increases. There are no adults at the wheel.
And then after suffering, they’ll reelect them.
These self-lauded masturbatory “patriots” are going to further tank the US credit rating and thereby the US dollar playing right into the hands of China and Russia pushing alternative global currency exchange options.
When all those dollars sold and otherwise happy to stay tied up in overseas transactions come home to roost, inflation will effect everyone of their billionaire donors, and everyone else, more than any economic policies they’re getting funding to push domestically. It’s stupid, short sighted and treasonous to leave the federal government unfunded.
There’s no excuse. They need to do their damn jobs. Since they refuse, they all need to be voted out.
There’s no excuse. They need to do their damn jobs. Since they refuse, they all need to be voted out.
But you’re missing the truly important point - they often piss off liberals, and that’s really all that matters to the R voting base
They won’t be voted out until they manage to do tremendous damage to their voters. Because they (the voters) don’t realize they are just collateral damage in a war that doesn’t include them.
This, to me, is the worst part.
Yeah, the shutdown itself sucks. Especially for government workers and contractors who get furloughed, and people reliant on this system.
But USD is starting to get some new competition in global trade with BRICS. Tanking our credit now is an especially dangerous game and it almost makes me wonder where the loyalties lie with some of these people and if this may, actually, be treason.
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Congress need to be held accountable when they fail to do their jobs.
Can’t do the literal very core of your job and pass a budget? Whole house gets flushed. Every incumbent barred from holding office for one full term.
Why not just stop paying them anything in case of shutdown? I mean, aren’t they part of government?
i’ve heard that they’re paid during a shutdown to stop wealthy politicians who don’t need the income from forcing politicians who use their income to live to bend over for them
You do realize that actually insensitivizes log jamming right?
The oppo just has to stop the budget from passing and there goes the entire winning majority’s incumbents.
MTG would be frothing at the mouth dreaming of being able to cause so much headache.
They said “whole house” that means the people on both sides lose their job.
And? Do you really think those lunatics will run out of zealots they can throw at killing every budget they can until there’s no opposition left?
Many of them are professional politicians that support their families with those paychecks. It is one thing to convince someone to take an extremist route when it keeps the money flowing, it is another thing altogether when that same action would leave them jobless.
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
― Upton Sinclair
Wait, tell me again why it is so important to not pass a budget?
Do you really expect them to intentionally lose their job to piss off the opposition? We’re talking about people who cling to power until they die in office.
I’m still lost as to why they need to be figuring out funding for the government till the last minute at all?
It creates chaos and forces concessions that look like compromise. Give up nothing and always take at least something. It’s a long game and it’s been going on for a long time and their isn’t much left to give.
because to them its a bargaining chip.
If Dems don’t cave and give them what they want, then people wont get their social security checks, Children wont get fed, etc etc.
Because they see the most vulnerable americans as worthless tokens to hold hostage.
“I’m sorry, if you’re not wearing a tie at this moment then we shouldn’t really be talking about the government shutdown” --real quote from politician, probably
It’s like if you bought something with a credit card and are now deciding to just not pay the bill. There was a separate budget process, and that’s when they should have said that they didn’t want to pay for the things they bought.
But really the whole thing is an excuse to hold the country hostage every few months whenever republicans control the house and not the presidency. It’s win-win for them because either they get what they want from the hostage negotiation, or they hurt the hostage (us) and blame it on the president.
A significant portion of the majority says “don’t.”
Trump wants a shutdown, and his lackeys in Congress are following along.
You mispelled Putin.
I’m sure Putin wants it also, but Trump wants it for selfish reasons. He wants the federal prosecutions against him dropped and he thinks that if the Republicans in Congress can hold the government for ransom for him long enough, the Democrats will be forced to agree to have all the charges dropped in exchange for the government reopening.
It’s totally delusional, but since when has Trump been completely sane and knowledgeable about how government works?
At this point, a shutdown is all but guaranteed
The question is now, how long until democrats come into play?
Oe better yet, who will be house speaker next week? I don’t see McCarthy squeaking his way out of this.
Dems will make more noise publicly when a bill goes to the senate and is basically dead on arrival.
Could they even pass a quick DOA bill at this point? lol
That’s what’s comical. They can’t even align within their own party. People whose political careers benefit from stunts and trolling, vs people who fear this will hurt their elections. There are basically two GOPs fighting with each other.
I’m reminded of the whole debacle leading to McCarthy’s Speakership, where a Democrat led the vote for Speaker of the House for like 20 votes in a row.
At some point it makes more sense to just… give it to the person who won the vote?
The Democrat was Hakeem Jeffries, I believe
Friday night fantasy: A few sane republicans caucus with the democrats, flip the house, replace McCarthy, pass a serviceable bill, then go back to their own party and ask the extremists if they’re done fucking around, or if more governance needs to happen this way.
I know. It will never happen. Even the sane republicans are spineless and care more about their aspirations than actually leading.
Highly doubtful. Too much of their party has taken a “my way or the highway” approach. They won’t vote for anything unless it’s their ideal budget – not even a CR, but the actual budget. They think that if they remain stubborn enough, everyone will bow to them.
And to their credit, it does work wonderfully with spineless wimps like McCarthy, but not Democrats. This is what Republicans have sowed, and they are finally reaping it.
I bet McCarthy is sure glad that he sold his soul for the Speaker position…
McCarthy is such a fucking idiot.
While that is true I doubt there is a person alive who could get this done. NO ONE could possibly balance the ridiculous demands of the so called “Freedom Caucus” with those of the rest of the GoP, let alone the Democrats.
I still think the only way this gets resolved is by McCarthy and other Moderate Republicans working a budget deal with the House Democrats directly, breaking the FCs power to sink the deal. In the end all these FC idiots are going to do is force the budget to become far more bi-partisan and they are absolutely not going to like what ends up being passed.
Shouldn’t be too hard to ignore the freedom caucus and reach across the aisle. The only thing it would cost him is the Speakership.
McCarthy and his “moderates” could pass the budget (that he already agreed to) with Democratic support.
The only reason he isn’t is because he would lose his speakership.
This is down to one person not willing make the sacrifice in order to prevent millions of people from suffering.
Welp that’s it guys. I guess we can’t keep these people on the payroll any more. Lets fire them all and elect new ones.
Sir, you need to be an obscenely overpaid CEO before you can make that suggestion.
They don’t want to govern. You don’t negotiate or compromise with a party whose core premise is government shouldn’t have any power or function beyond persecuting specific people. The GOP is not a serious political party.
Wasn’t this pretty much expected? The bill by McCarthy was just a show.
Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) confirmed to CNN that the House will try to pass a stopgap spending bill that will require Democratic votes.
When asked if he is concerned that a member, like Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), could move to oust him over this bill, McCarthy replied: “If I have to risk my job for standing up for American public, I will do that.”
It’s supposed to be a clean CR.
Thing is it will probably take 45 days if McCarthy is discharged to sort out the speaker’s chair,
Too bad there are only Republicans in the House. It is shame that there is no one else just sitting on their hands that someone could do something crazy and “reach across the aisle” and find some common ground with.
Let’s just keep pretending the 21 extremists who are likely following what their constituents want are solely at fault. Clearly, the other 198 Republicans and 211 Democrats who can’t find any middle ground have no blame here.
I know extremism is popular on both sides but this bill has to pass the senate eventually no matter what.
If McCarthy wants to show some real leadership for once, he’d use his last act as Speaker to throw the bipartisan bill from the senate on the table and see who really wants a government shutdown, or even better sit down with whatever moderate Democrats exist and write an annual budget for the first time in however many years. If congress really wanted to blow Americans out of the water, they might even make it balanced.
Ramaswamy is pretty far out in right-field, but he got one thing right in the last debate, start the budget at zero.
Should be start at $0.00 add an expense, add a tax to cover it, and keep going until they can’t agree to add a tax to cover whatever is left hanging.
You are missing a very important part of the GOP insanity.
Don’t attempt to both sides this issue, they won’t bring a bill to the floor that doesn’t have support to pass WITHOUT bipartisan support. The entire GOP is run by extremists and has been for a long time. When your core principal says that you cannot be bipartisan, you are infact an extremist party by nature.
You seem to be misunderstanding the Hastert Rule. The rule does not say that the bill has to be passable without bipartisan support. It says that the Republican portion has to represent a majority of their party. I didn’t say it had to be so friendly to Democrats that most Republicans wouldn’t vote for it.
Also, McCarthy’s Speakership won’t survive turning his back on the Freedom Caucus anyways, unless the Democrats decide to back him. So there is no reason he has to follow that rule at all, if he’s going to cross the aisle. Hastert himself broke the rule a dozen times according to your link.
In this case there are 221 Republicans, they would only 111 to have a majority of the party on board. Sure a true bipartisan bill would be great, but they only really need 18 democrats willing to vote along with 200 Republicans or as many Democrats as 107 with only 111 Republicans. There is a lot of wiggle room if both sides have members willing to cross the aisle.
The real problem is finding enough Side A-ers that would be willing to have their names alongside them crazy Side B-ers.
I understand your point, and you are accurate about the majority, my apologies, however; (and I did look this up and couldn’t find an answer) how many of the bills passed by the house have been brought to the floor during the 118th congress were only brought forth with enough votes to pass them with GOP only votes? Are there any exceptions? Would they even bring one to the floor? It seems effectually this rule has been taken to an extreme. It appears today, McCarthy finally put on his big boy pants and is proposing a 45 day clean spending bill, but it’s just kicking the can down the road again.
Many of the items put in the majority of bills that could normally pass with bipartisan support are non-starters for Democrats. These insane “anti-woke” (whatever the hell that means), policies and support/proliferation of Russian propaganda resulting in our neglect of Ukraine aid are not in our nations best interest.
It’s amazing to me that under GOP control they will cut taxes, spend like lunatics, blow up the deficit, and then their constituents buy into the “fiscal conservatism” ploy, hook, line and sinker as soon as they are the opposition party. It’s baffling to me. No one, especially me, disagrees with the fact that our national deficit is way beyond egregious, but shutting down the government, defaulting on debt, crashing the economy, harming our military service members, and ruining our currency and credit rating is political terrorism.
No one is willing to take on our defense spending issues, and I’m not talking about supplying our troops, I’m talking about only having one company that provides parts or equipment with no competition, changing absurd prices, and the same goes with much of our investment into equipment development. I cant recall if it’s the JSF or the F22, but while they are publicly funded programs the US doesn’t even own the patent rights and can’t allow for competition for replacement parts etc. It’s insane, our defense budget is so out of wack it needs a complete overhaul.
McCarthy finally put on his big boy pants and is proposing a 45 day clean spending bill
While I was definitely a proponent of this, I will easily admit that I was a bit surprised that he actually did it. There are far too many “non-starters” for both parties right now, and it seems to be getting worse not better. Even identifying as a moderate or centrist is pretty well derided at every turn. It is a bit crazy, but the most heated arguments I get into are with people that I agree 80% or more with.
and then their constituents buy into the “fiscal conservatism” ploy
I am sure that the fiscally conservative Republicans are just as frustrated by this issue as you and I are. Over and over we hear the talk and then they come back with even more spending and less taxes, which is definitely the opposite of what is needed. The problem I see, is that I can’t even remember the last time I heard a Democrat in office pushing for a balanced budget. I am not sure what is worse, not mentioning it or talking about it then doing the opposite; probably the latter but clearly not everyone agrees.
The worst thing in all this, is that we have some how taken on all this excess debt during during a virtual golden age. It is a bit scary to think about what the future would look like if we had a long-term recession.
No one is willing to take on our defense spending issues
I fully agree that this is an issue, and with most of your related points, but I really don’t have any kind of a solution for it. The idea of creating or propping up an additional military company indefinitely frustrates me even when just thinking about it.
I keep teetering on an isolationist bent, where we would pull back from a lot of our military bases and make it clear that some old commitments are about to be updated, but I think it is pretty clear that some of our world adversaries would take that as a sign of weakness and start pushing their boundaries immediately.
I think it is time that some of our allies that rely on our military take on some of their own responsibility, but most of them are nowhere near ready. Also, I am pretty sure it will just create more world level chaos and likely lead to a new great war.
I think we likely have gotten ourselves into a bit of a pickle. Doubly so, since we are having such a cultural and political division issue at home. When its nearly impossible to handle simple issues, deeply complex issues like these are almost laughable, in the Joaquin Phoenix as Joker kind of way.
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Elon: something something balance is good.
