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A Texas grandfather who was about to officiate a wedding in Nebraska errantly shot and wounded his own 12-year-old grandson when he tried to fire a gun in the air to get the attention of guests Saturday, according to authorities.
Odessa, Texas resident Michael Gardner, 62, is facing legal trouble after the Pietta 1860 snub nose revolver went off around 5 p.m. and accidentally struck the young boy in the shoulder at Hillside Events, Lancaster County Sheriff’s Office chief deputy Ben Houchin said during a press conference Monday.
The gun fired a blank round that had black powder in the casing that was glued together, the sheriff’s official said.
Before the attention-catching shot, guests were scattered around the Denton, Nebraska venue because the nuptials started late after someone forgot the wedding rings, Houchin explained.
“When he decided to cock back the hammer of this revolver it slipped and it shot his grandson in the left shoulder, causing an injury,” Houchin said, later adding. “What we believe is the glue injured the child.”
The injury was non-life threatening, though the boy still required hospitalization.
“We do not believe Michael intended to hurt his grandchild, but the act was not very smart,” Houchin said.
Gardner was still slapped with a child abuse charge because of the carelessness and the injury to the youngster, the chief deputy said. He surrendered to authorities Monday.
“It’s just kind of neglectful to take a gun out that has blanks and fire it amongst people,” he said.
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Every gun owner thinks they’re a responsible gun owner.
Well, to be fair, this guy was responsible… responsible for shooting his own grandson in the shoulder.
Yeah, as a gun owner, I try to avoid other gun owners. I went to have my my rifle scope bore sighted for the hunting season today. The guy at the counter picked up my rifle and flagged everyone in the damn store with it. I asked him to set it back in the case and left. I knew the gun was clear, and an employee cleared it when I came in, but you still don’t do that, period. Now that I think about it, the guy didn’t even clear it before picking it up and flagging everyone with it.
as a gun owner, I try to avoid other gun owners.
Same.
I once watched a range safety officer finish his shift, then step up to the firing line with his own handgun and promptly point the muzzle down the line at me while chambering the first round. I packed up and left, and haven’t been back.
It’s really crazy how cavalier folks are around firearms. It only takes one lapse in judgement or attention to drastically change lives forever.
Top three mythological creatures of American folklore:
- Bigfoot
- Mothman
- The Responsible Gun Owner
I don’t think that’s fair. I’ve taken gun/hunting education classes from some volunteer instructors that seemed to me to be about the most serious, responsible people I’ve ever met.
Cool beans. Everyone considers themselves to be a “responsible gun owner” right up until the moment they shoot someone or themselves. It’s not a matter of if but when it’s going to happen.
Edit: Gun nuts and apologists line up here to get blocked.
I’m not a fan of guns myself, but this is quite a reach.
There are certainly many, MANY more irresponsible gun owners than responsible ones out there. But to say that there are none is just objectively false.
Do accidents happen? Yes, and they can happen to anyone. The difference is that a responsible owner’s accident isn’t going to end up with a person getting shot.
No, there are far more responsible gun owners than irresponsible ones. There are roughly 100 million gun owners in the USA. If “most” of those people were irresponsible then there wouldn’t be 100 million of them left. We only hear about the irresponsible ones having accidents or committing crimes, which is a tiny percentage of the overall 100 million.
Unless the most responsible thing to do is not own guns, then there’s twice as many more of us.
Well considering that car accidents and other accidents not involving cars are typically the 4th or 5th leading cause of death in the USA, versus homicides of any kind being farther down than 10th to 15th place (varying by year)… it would be even More Responsible of you all to not drive or be a passenger in any motor vehicle, and to wear impact-resistant personal armor at all times to prevent injuries from falling. You could wear your protective suit and stay indoors at all times to be Even More Responsible.
Also considering that heart disease and cancer are the permanent top causes of death in the USA, to be Most Responsible you should do all of the above (never travel and always wear your protective suit and stay indoors) and eat only a healthy diet with plenty of cancer fighting vitamins for every meal.
I’d be inclined to agree with this argument if any of the other causes of death were from devices that are only designed to kill things.
Excellent example of a “No True Scotsman” fallacy. Well done! Bit of a shame you’re trying to use it in an actual debate, but you do you.
That’s an absolutely absurd claim. The fraction of gun owners that ever shoot a human being is very close to zero.
If they didn’t have guns, it would be zero.
This is like the claim that humans are addicted to oxygen.
I have some friends who are adamant anti gun folk and I get that. It’s what the numbers say is ideal. I used to be pro gun (grew up in a very conservative cult), then anti gun, now I’m somewhere in the middle with “yeah it would be better to reduce the amount of guns but this is kind of where we’re at” and feel like a more pragmatic approach to getting us towards a gun free utopia (read: idealized society that can never be achieved) is probably best. Unfortunately it requires national cooperation and my country, uh, that is not what they do. On a personal level tho I somehow have become the person who gets to inherit all the guns in the family and except for the cool, inoperable civil war rifle we’ve had them all destroyed. That thing’s a show piece though. It’s a historical paperweight. It’s more dangerous as a club (even the bayonette is dull) than as a gun.
Made me think of the is this a pigeon meme but the person being replaced with an American gun nut and the image being a referee to gun violence
With the text: “is this a responsible gun owner”
Actually, as someone who doesn’t have a strong stance either way, maybe I’ll just block you.
k bye
Go ahead and block me too.
You’re saying all gun owners have incidents at some point, but that’s just availability bias. You don’t see stories on the news of the millions of gun owners who never have incidents.
I have also taken gun safety classes and never had an incident. My guns live in a safe and are only taken out when it is time to use them for sport, which hasn’t been in over a decade, actually.
No responsibile gun owner would use a gun firing to get the attention of a group, so the “all gun owners are responsible until there’s an incident” argument doesn’t really hold water here. The guy in the story broke several gun safety rules here. Rules that in my 10+ years of gun use I have never broken once.
Edit: not sure why this old post showed up in my feed. Oh well.
Go ahead and block me too.
Done. And no, I didn’t read the rest of your multi-paragraph little hissy fit over a MONTH OLD POST. I despise gun nuts because they’re always the type of person like you that will butt into a months-old conversation you weren’t part of in the first place because you go around the internet compulsively defending your gun fetish. Fuck off, Cletus.
I didn’t realize it was a month old. Lemmy’s algorithm is bad.
The key word there is “seemed”
I just want to live long enough to enter a situation where I can legally kill someone with my 1911😔
Dafuq? You want to murder somebody?
Yes officer this guy right here…
Guess sarcasm is hard to do over text😔
Yes, that is why a responsible internet commenter adds the “/s” tag to their sarcastic comments
But that just feels… cowardly
Which is he, one of the ‘good guys with a gun’, or one of the ‘bad guys with a gun’?
Maybe his grandson was a ‘bad guy with a gun,’ in which case the grandfather is actually a hero.
I believe he falls in the category of one of the morons with a gun.
I’d like to see that venn diagram.
after the Pietta 1860 snub nose revolver went off around 5 p.m. and accidentally struck the young boy in the shoulder
“When he decided to cock back the hammer of this revolver it slipped and it shot his grandson in the left shoulder, causing an injury,”
I really hate when people go all passive voice about having shot someone. Did it just magically ‘go off’ or was dumbass fucking around with it while it was pointed at his grandson?
“It was the gun that shot my grandson! The gun, I say!”
“Will you get rid of the gun that shot your grandson?”
“When you pry it from my cold dead fingers, commie!”
Guns don’t shoot people, people shoot people. Do I have that catchphrase right?
You forgot to add “with guns” at the end.
It was an old school revolver where you have to manually cock back a spring loaded hammer. If you pull it back part way and then gently guide it back to normal position, the firing pin will just rest against the primer (the part of the round that sets off the gunpowder) and nothing will happen. If you pull it all the way back, the hammer locks in place until you pull the trigger, at which point the locking mechanism is unlocked and the hammer is freed to slam the pin into the primer, firing the round. The problem comes if you pull it most of the way back and then lose your grip. In that case, the hammer slams into the round just like if you fired it. Because of the physics involved with pulling back the hammer against a heavy spring (ironically a safety against kids pulling it back), the end of the gun usually gets levered upwards during the act of cocking. So, even if you started pointed directly at the ground, you often won’t be by the time the hammer locks in place. It’s your job as a gun owner to make sure that nothing you don’t mind shooting is in front of the gun at any point during that arc.
Add to this that it was a blank round, meaning there was just gunpowder but no bullet. Usually in a round, the gunpowder is trapped between a big slug of lead (the bullet) and the primer. In a blank, a thin layer of paper and glue is used in place of the bullet to keep the powder from falling out. A lot of people think blanks are 100% safe because there’s no bullet, but at very close range that tiny bit of glue still gets shot out with enough force to penetrate skin.
Thus, the guy is still an idiot for pointing the gun in an unsafe direction while cocking it, even if it’s a blank, but it’s easy to see how a 62yo could lose his grip on the hammer and have the gun go off accidentally in a direction he didn’t intend. And because it was a blank, he likely wasn’t following full gun discipline like he should have been. This doesn’t excuse his behavior (gun owners are literally taught to treat every weapon as loaded and deadly), but it might explain both his behavior and why the article chose the passive “it slipped and it shot” voice. Because basically, he was getting it ready to use as intended and it did magically “go off”, and it also is quite possible that it wasn’t pointed at the kid when grandpa started the task.
Yea, I wouldn’t say “magically go off” but this isn’t the gun misbehaving. It was a negligent discharge through improper operation. Its not a malfunction of the gun.
And to the people who don’t get how old revolvers operate, they can go off without the trigger pulled in a very specific manner that isn’t going to occur without someone actively getting the gun ready to fire. It’s the manual operation of the firing action.
Some newer revolvers will have a mechanism that doesn’t allow the hammer to swing all the way forward without the trigger being in the pulled position, but not all of them so.
And for an example of how dangerous blanks can be, the actor Jon-Erik Hexum during filming took a gun with a blank, held it to his temple and pulled the trigger. The force of the blank killed him.
Those “18xx single action revolver” replicas are dangerous as hell in the hands of an idiot. There are multiple ways to shoot oneself or someone else if the operator is being stupid.
It sounds like he cocked it before raising it, his thumb slipped off the hammer at the end of the action, and then —with his finger in the guard— he reflexively tightened his grip and discharged it.
Same thing can happen with semi-automatic pistols when you hit the slide release and all the weight slams forward: you accidentally pull the trigger to keep your grip, and then it discharges.
Which is exactly why you KEEP YOUR FUCKING FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER until you’re absolutely sure you want to fire.
Everyone is a Responsible Gun Owner™ until they aren’t.
The pro-gun community works hard to ensure the “responsible” part remains 100% voluntary.
There is no such thing as a “responsible” gun owner in the US.
I inherited 3 guns from my father in law. They stay locked in the safe. Where am I irresponsible?
Are you legally required to do so? What penalties do you face if you don’t? Should we drop all DUI laws because you claim you’ll never drive drunk?
No. shrug what penalties will you face if you go touch some grass?
People aren’t killing rooms full of children with grass.
But they are killing entire fridges full of food with grass.
You missed my point. They all claim to have been responsible gun owners before they did the thing that made them irresponsible. Which pretty much cancels out any notion that there is such a thing.
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So you’re staying this wedding officiant was a prohibited person? I didn’t see that in the article.
Odessa, Texas
Yup. Checks out.
Well, when there’s nothing else to do…
“It’s just kind of neglectful to take a gun out that has blanks and fire it amongst people,” he said.
The casual structure of this sentence is kind of funny at this point in history. I’m guessing he wasn’t intending to downplay the severity of the situation with that remark but it is quite the understatement.
This guy shot at the air and somehow managed to miss. He should be barred from ever owning a firearm for being such a spectacularly bad shot.
Well, he technically shot the air too.
And? Did it get their attention?
Obviously the solution would have been to require every guest to have their own gun. Duh.
Everybody knows that 😜 /s
but the act was not very smart,” Houchin said
Between the act, and forgetting the wedding rings at a wedding, I’m beginning to think this isn’t a very bright family.
Who carries a gun to a wedding?
Texas
Nevermind
If it was the other way around:
Texas
Who doesn’t carry a gun to a wedding?
I’m so glad this community migrated to lemmy. This one truly is Onion material
Buttwipe should have his gun rights revoked. Even I, a non-gun-user, know that you treat every firearm as loaded, lethal and ready to fire at any moment, and never point it at any person ever unless you intend them dead.
Accidents with guns only happen because of criminal negligence.
And for fuck’s sake you don’t cock a gun or pull the trigger when it’s pointed at a fucking child. you. stupid. pile. of. shit.
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