Amazing - 4k per hour.
The question is: is this a good thing?
Definitely a good thing. The more people that join social media controlled by users instead of profit-driven corpos the better.
The concern I always have is that the fediverse is amazing and wonderful, and I don’t want anyone coming in and breaking it.
The mastodon side usually has a bit of a culture shock because mastodon isn’t Twitter, just like Lemmy isn’t reddit. People keep acting like it’s Twitter and they have a reality check fast.
For someone who doesn’t use either Twitter or Mastodon, what makes the two so different in terms of culture?
I think you think you could probably write an entire textbook on internet culture and how the two end up different in practice.
A few key differences:
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No algorithm on mastodon means you see what’s posted or reposted by someone you follow, not what the algorithm thinks will piss you off
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Different instances and defederation mean that certain communities don’t cross paths. There’s an iron curtain between certain sets of instances. Those blocks are all one-way, because for the most part dark fedi doesn’t block. There’s also all sorts of intra-instance politics unique to the fediverse and not related to Twitter in the least. All kinds of fedi deep lore because people have been living together in the space for years independently of big tech.
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Theres specific cultures that are intentionally unintuitive to outsiders. For example, lots of users on the so-called dark fedi are intentionally crass. People will look and see they’re using slurs and Nazi imagery, and while there’s no doubt actual bad people out there, most of it is just meant to scare off the establishment types which most of them deeply mistrust which is why they came to a decentralized self-hosted platform in the first place. There won’t be anyone getting banned on those dark fedi instances because their admins are in on the joke and don’t want establishment types hanging around either. That’s just one fediverse subculture of many, and they were here long before Elon Musk owned Twitter and long before spez said a word about any APIs, so their way if being has been. Independently evolving for a long time.
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There is no big brother controlling everything that anyone can appeal to. Mastodon.social is by far the largest instance and for much of the fediverse it could defed from them and they’d barely notice. New Twitter users get this ideological vision that everyone will defederate from the bad people, but being decentralized and run by all kinds of different people so nobody agrees who the bad people are or whether they should be defederated from. Ultimately your instance chooses its own path and that’s it. That has a big effect since what is possible determines what will be done.
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There’s no fediverse-wide search. There are searches on different platforms, but unless your instance is subbed to everyone everywhere, you can’t search for everything. You can only search for what your instance knows which is almost always a tiny fraction of the fediverse.
That’s a few examples of the big cultural differences. There’s a lot more and authors cleverer than I have written about it in the past.
Here’s one article that implies some of what I’m talking about: https://www.hughrundle.net/home-invasion/
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Mastodon is (IMHO) like twitter was when it started. A SOCIAL network, where people talk to each other, respectfully. There’s no follower fishing, as there is no way to get famous. All you can get there is respect.
More people flock to mastodon.social? No
I’m down with it. I would like to occasionally hear what influential thinkers/creators etc have to say, but don’t want to use Twitter to hear it.
Same, and even on twitter it’s getting harder to hear them - not even due to the recent rate limits but just their shitty algorithm pushing stuff to my feed that I’m not even following. I’d be happy to have these individuals on mastodon, even if it’s .social, they can only improve and legitimize the platform by contributing to it.
Big centralised tech < novel decentralised tech
Can we interact with Mastodon users using wefwef here logged into lemmy.world account? Do their posts just show up like any other? Thanks. Trying to understand
My understanding is that only kbin can interact with both Lemmy and Mastodon while also showing its own threads/magazines/whatever. Lemmy can only see Lemmy and Mastadon can only see Mastodon.
I’m on kbin and also have access to read and comment on Lemmy posts, though I’m not sure how to access Mastadon as I don’t see them show up when I search for other communities…
Edit: looks like I have to search Microblogs when I want to see Mastadon. Seems kind of confusing though, I don’t think I understand how Mastodon works.
I don’t think I understand how Mastodon works.
this neatly summarized my entire current fediverse knowledge base. Like, I feel really close to grasping its full potential, but fall just short of understanding the basics.
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Currently Mastodon users can follow and post to Lemmy communities.
On their end both posts and new comments look like regular Mastodon boosts and from our end their posts and comments look like regular Lemmy posts and comments with extra @ tags in them. So you’ll see those on WefWef and interact with them normally.
Kbin magazines have a way to also view Mastodon posts relating to the magazine topic, but Lemmy communities do not.
@rclkrtrzckr I think it’s a good thing that people are looking for alternatives. I’m sad that most of them do it just because Twitter is bad, unaware they reached a decentralized alternative and unaware of what does it mean to them. I hope some of them will try also some other decentralized alternatives as they see fit.
Mastodon went from around 500 new accounts per hour to 4k per hour since Twitter has been inaccessible. I think it’s a good thing.
this bot actually counts all of fediverse, the name is misleading
It says
User Count Bot for all known Mastodon instances
Is that not true? Does it count Lemmy and kbin users, too?
The bot uses https://instances.social/ to get the amount of users, but it’s kind of tricky since it’s not actually a good source for this type of info. If you check the website, you can find some Misskey, Pleroma, etc. instances, but not most of them. I couldn’t find any kbin instances there, but there were 2 lemmy instances. It also doesn’t match up at all with other fediverse stats websites like fedidb and fediverse.observer
