Its works well for normies because it is centralized. Every time you see non nerds discuss the lack of widespread fediverse adoption the main reason is “picking a server is intimidating”. 90% of bluesky users (probably more) have never heard of the fediverse or know what “decentralized” even means. They picked it because it was easy and because the centralized moderation seemed more trustworthy than the one on twitter.
Literally the whole point of bluesky is to try to make a platform that is decentralized and that people will flock to even if they’re normies. To catch the twitter wave they did the second part before the first. Eventually other companies will pop up that use ATproto and normies will grow to understand that they’re federated.
Keep dreaming then. Like damn some people just want to believe the most unrealistic stuff.
So far we have a 100% enshittification rate of all social media platforms of this scale. They all started out supposedly open, free speech focused and hackable and they all fell to greed. There is absolutely nothing stopping bluesky from saying “hmm look at those 40 millions users we have locked into our walled garden, lets extract money from them” and there is nothing you would be able to do about it.
Until the main server accounts for <30% of all bluesky users all this bla bla is worthless.
Thank you for bringing some sanity in this thread. I’ve been trying to correct people but I feel like I’m arguing with LLMs created to perpetuate an illusion of “debate”.
I would agree with your statement that “all social medias of that scale did that” except that bluesky is decentralized, and the way ATproto works means that you can migrate off of them without their consent, basically.
The current leadership seems dedicated to making it good, and I somewhat trust that’s not just pr shit because they have done stuff like moderation lists that are cool, but not at all necessary for advertising decentralization. They were also very upfront about the flaws their federation had.
If you want to go “oh they’re vc funded”, well, so is framework, and people love them.
I get your main argument is that bsky is the only mainstream instance, but that’s just for now. Enshittifying a company like bluesky takes a while, and by then other viable platforms will exist.
Well, you completely ignored all my arguments except the one you could find issue with.
Yes, it’s concentrated on one instance, but that will change before it enshittifies.
You can migrate accounts.
You keep linking back to that page not understanding that that concentration is a result of it being first built up as a centralized platform, then opened to other instances. There has not been enough time for other instances to pop up.
By that same logic according to that page git isn’t decentralized and nobody should use it, because microsoft owns an instance with >90% of the users.
Its works well for normies because it is centralized. Every time you see non nerds discuss the lack of widespread fediverse adoption the main reason is “picking a server is intimidating”. 90% of bluesky users (probably more) have never heard of the fediverse or know what “decentralized” even means. They picked it because it was easy and because the centralized moderation seemed more trustworthy than the one on twitter.
Literally the whole point of bluesky is to try to make a platform that is decentralized and that people will flock to even if they’re normies. To catch the twitter wave they did the second part before the first. Eventually other companies will pop up that use ATproto and normies will grow to understand that they’re federated.
Keep dreaming then. Like damn some people just want to believe the most unrealistic stuff.
So far we have a 100% enshittification rate of all social media platforms of this scale. They all started out supposedly open, free speech focused and hackable and they all fell to greed. There is absolutely nothing stopping bluesky from saying “hmm look at those 40 millions users we have locked into our walled garden, lets extract money from them” and there is nothing you would be able to do about it.
Until the main server accounts for <30% of all bluesky users all this bla bla is worthless.
Thank you for bringing some sanity in this thread. I’ve been trying to correct people but I feel like I’m arguing with LLMs created to perpetuate an illusion of “debate”.
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I would agree with your statement that “all social medias of that scale did that” except that bluesky is decentralized, and the way ATproto works means that you can migrate off of them without their consent, basically.
The current leadership seems dedicated to making it good, and I somewhat trust that’s not just pr shit because they have done stuff like moderation lists that are cool, but not at all necessary for advertising decentralization. They were also very upfront about the flaws their federation had.
Also, it’s a public benefits corporation, and all their stuff is open source.
If you want to go “oh they’re vc funded”, well, so is framework, and people love them.
I get your main argument is that bsky is the only mainstream instance, but that’s just for now. Enshittifying a company like bluesky takes a while, and by then other viable platforms will exist.
Bluesky is not decentralized.
A meaningless term. Elon’s xAI is a public benefit corporation and their product spreads Nazi propoganda.
Well, you completely ignored all my arguments except the one you could find issue with.
Yes, it’s concentrated on one instance, but that will change before it enshittifies.
You can migrate accounts.
You keep linking back to that page not understanding that that concentration is a result of it being first built up as a centralized platform, then opened to other instances. There has not been enough time for other instances to pop up.
By that same logic according to that page git isn’t decentralized and nobody should use it, because microsoft owns an instance with >90% of the users.
I hope you can see the flaw in that logic.
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…except it isn’t centralized, since anyone can host their own instance that doesnt depend on bsky.social
https://blackskyweb.xyz/ as an example
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