I didn’t think I’d sit and watch this whole thing but it is a very interesting conversation. Near the end the author says something like “I know people I’m the industry who work in these labs who act like they’ve seen a ghost. They come home from work and struggle with the work they do and ask me what they should do. I tell them they should quit then, and then they stop asking me for advice.”

I do wonder at times if we would even believe a whistleblower should one come to light, telling us about the kind of things they do behind closed doors. We only get to see the marketable end product. The one no one can figure out how it does what it does exactly. We don’t get to see the things on the cutting room floor.

Also, its true. These models are more accurately described as grown not built. Which in a way is a strange thing to consider. Because we understand what it means to build something and to grow something. You can grow something with out understanding how it grows. You cant build something without understanding how you built it.

And when you are trying to control how things grow you sometime get things you didn’t intend to get, even if you got the things you did intend to get.

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    lolmao what a meltdown

    Recommending further reading is not an appeal to authority, don’t be silly, it’s just acknowledging the constraints of the medium (forum comments)… even Ilyenkov and Lefebvre needed 300 pages to explain this, and they are pretty good at explaining it.

    Are you going to dismiss linguistics as idealist next? What about books? "

    Believe it or not, there’s also historical materialist writing on this topic. I recommend the following:

    • Lev Vygotsky - Thinking and Speaking
    • Valentin Voloshinov (Bakhtin) - Marxism and the Philosophy of Language
    • Raymond Williams - Marxism and Literature
    • Fredric Jameson - The Prison-House of Language

    Now stop seething and do the reading, don’t be a lib, you are on a Marxist lemmy instance

    No investigation, no right to speak

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      lolmao what a meltdown

      jagoff

      No investigation, no right to speak

      Like you, commenting on a discipline you don’t know the first thing about, and then smugly trying to appeal to unrelated philosophy no matter how many times the actual subject is explained to you. I was entirely too generous with my original mockery of your position.

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          Man I just got back from the vet with my probably-dying cat, so fine, sure, whatever, you have successfully debunked the discipline that materially facilitates this conversation by smugly appealing to the ontology of guys who didn’t know what “lightbulbs” are. You win.

          Give yourself a good time for it, yeah? jagoff

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            Man I just got back from the vet with my probably-dying cat

            Sorry about your cat, I hope they get better, and you have a few more years together.

            We were just talking, okay?

            I debated about this often, and I read about it a lot. I actually also work with this kind of stuff. Doesn’t matter. Winning is not the point. All this online talk doesn’t really matter. Be with your cat. I know I love mine.