Christians say, “God is omnipotent. He is all-powerful. He can literally do anything, including giving people superpowers, etc. God can do ANYTHING. He could make pigs fly with a snap of the fingers; he could create infinite universes with just speaking it into existence.” But, at the same time, these same people say, “God had to send his son to die because it was the only way.”
Okay, then God is not all-powerful then, lol. He’s not omnipotent. That’s literally the opposite of omnipotence. If God is omnipotent, then he literally had infinite options. In fact, if he’s this powerful, then sending his son is a really dumb idea and makes zero sense.
I don’t know if this comparison makes sense, but in The Flash TV show, when they were fighting a speedster named Savitar, there was a building with metahuman power dampeners so you can’t use your powers inside this building. Savitar was going to kill Iris West, so what would be the smart thing to do??? Maybe put Iris in this building because Savitar can’t use his powers inside it. Case closed. It would make no sense for this option to be here but then for Team Flash to say, “We know this easier and smarter option exists, but Iris, you dying is the only way we can stop Savitar and save you.”
See what I mean? Point is, if God is omnipotent, then Jesus dying wasn’t the only way. Jesus being tortured so he could feel all the pain of sin was not necessary. If you’re saying this was the only way, then fine, but don’t say God is all-powerful and limitless, because clearly there are limits to God’s own power.
makes zero sense
that about sums up religion in general, well done. I think that about wraps the thread up, honestly. good work, everyone!
You’ve re-framed an old philosophical problem: Why does (an omnipotent, benevolent) God allow evil? See Theodicy on Wikipedia
Yeah the whole “God is all powerful and all knowing” would mean that he can stop things like children’s cancer but he chooses not to.
But something, something Satan, something something free will, something something God’s test 😱🤢
Bill Hicks: “Okay, dinosaur bones.”
“God put those there to test our faith.”
“…l think god put you here to test my faith.”
I prefer that God put the dinosaur bones there because he loves everyone, including scientists and wants them to be happy too.
the whole “God is all powerful and all knowing” would mean that he can stop things like children’s cancer but he chooses not to.
God is either not all powerful or not all good.
I’m not Christian but was unfortunately raised in a very conservative Christian environment.
The argument they made up to deal with people asking this question was that god intentionally limits his power to give us true free will. I remember asking myself the first time I heard this, “but if he’s all powerful couldn’t he find a way to give us free will and prevent us from suffering?”
Eventually I realized arguing with these people is a waste of time.
consider that god is neither
God’s morality is canonically not our morality. You are not able to perceive what is good and evil for God.
Correct. God is nothing
Religions (all of them) are just a bunch bullshit nonsense. In other news, water is wet.
The only actual answer here.
Jesus “died” so god could forgive the sins against the rules he himself made up. You don’t need to be all-powerfull and/or all-knowing to forgive, and for sure is it not needed to sacrifice something living.
He could just have forgiven, generell amnesties are a thing humans do and we are neither gods nor have we any all-something powers.
Also, Elijah didn’t need to die and could be saved? Yet Jesus needed to die? Right.
Honestly, though. The mere concept of original sin is enough to say fuck that. Putting something on someone who had no choice in the matter is fucking evil.
And that’s before getting into the general shittiness most religions enable/do that ruin lives constantly.
“god” has proven that it is not all powerful. It has never helped anyone. Abrahamic religions are just a different version of all the other mythologies that Humans have made up to explain the unexplainable. And too many individuals use that antiquated & outdated information to harm people and steal their money.
Think about the absurdity of the “all knowing, all seeing” gods. They watch you poop, eat breakfast & masturbate. What a sick stalker. Holy books are just a very old volume of badly written fiction, usually by anonymous authors.
God is just really into child sacrifice. For real, it’s a central tenet. Jesus. Abraham. David. Noah. Lot. Job.
“God is more important than your family” is literally a theme throughout.
I remember my dad drunk driving us three kids home rambling at us how if a man put a gun up to each of our <10yo heads, and that man demanded my father say he didnt believe in god or he would shoot us, my father was drunkenly proud to scream in front of his god and children how he would watch that man blow our brains out.
He wonders why we don’t talk to him.
God damn. I’m sorry.
Boomers and religion. I got some words for king james
My dad is/was a very conservative pastor. As is my brother. And two of my uncles.
I get it, to put it mildly.
He’s all powerful, but He’s just fueled by blood is all.
You see, the blood is the life and that is why God is all powerful, He just needs lots of blood! It’s simple.
(It’s not even a joke, according to Bible. Paraphrased a little bit)
Blood for the Blood God?
Blood for the Emperor, Skulls for the Golden Throne!
The entire Christian story is a giant plot hole because it tries to make us root for a hero who is just too powerful. I can buy a character who is all-seeing and all-powerful and in control of everything, but I CANNOT buy that character being purely good. Any character that controls everything and yet bad things happen, is a morally grey character at best. Him being that powerful and yet we’re supposed to see him as purely good, just doesn’t work.
Not to mention, the Bible depicts him doing a lot of very evil things. No reasonable person can read this character as purely good.
The hero being in control of everything doesn’t work because there can be no believable villain. They try to create a villain, a nemesis, to say God isn’t behind the bad. They made Satan to be the antagonist, but they try to have it both ways by making God still be all powerful and ultimately plan everything Satan does.
And then they want God’s climactic heroic act to be suffering the punishment for mankind’s sin in our place but the whole idea is a plot hole because it only works if there is someone demanding mankind be punished for our sins. Who is demanding that? Satan? The story might work better if it were Satan but they want us to believe it is God himself, which renders the sacrifice pointless. Some argue that it wouldn’t be just for God to just let people off for their crimes without some form of punishment, but I don’t see how punishing himself fixes that.
You need to get more shorter showers.
Whenever someone brings God or any other omnipotent supernatural being into the realm of reality and try to have a semblance of a logical reasoning, everything just falls apart and stops making sense.
It is a common belief among evangelicals that the universe and everything in it was created 6000 years ago. Naturally you can tell them that it can’t be right because we’ve found dinosaur bones hundreds of millions of years old. Common response to that is God buried those fake bones to test your faith. On the surface it makes sense because of course omnipotent being can create anything it wants. However once you dig slightly deeper the entire premise turns into a complete farce. You say to yourself, why not 1000 years instead of 6000? Why not 100 years? Why not five years or even five days? Five minutes? Yes, it’s entirely possible for omnipotent being to have created the entire universe five minutes ago put fake memory into everyone and we won’t know it. You can basically just make up stuff and that makes just as much sense.
My point is once entertain the existence of God then anything and everything is possible to the point where having an intellectually honest conversation no longer matters. To me this is a mathematical equivalent of dividing by zero. This is why I believe science and religion are diametrically opposing beliefs that cannot be bridged.
I’m sure my reasoning would bounce off just one question later, but my next question would be that if god knows everything then why does he test people’s faith? He doesn’t need to, since he knows already whether you have faith or not. Also, are hundreds of million years old dinosaur bones really the most brilliant way of testing someone’s faith?
George Carlin: “He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money!”
deleted by creator
The more you think about it, the less sense it makes.
If you actually read the book, it makes so little sense you will weep for humanity.
God gives little kids leukemia, or at least allows it, which goes to the problem of evil, that if God is all-knowing and all-encompassing and still allows evil to occur, or has a plan that involves evil occurring, then God is not all-good, God is himself part evil. If God is omnipotent, then there is no reason for evil to exist beyond him having cruel fun at our expense. And that’s not even getting into the non-human suffering.
Christianity likes the idea that Lucifer disobeyed God and was cast down, but Lucifer IS god, just as much as God is, just as much as we are or the stones and moss in nature are. Lucifer couldn’t do anything other than God’s plan, because omnipotence.
So the only way the supposedly omnipotent God thought to run the universe requires a large chunk of the souls he created to be cast into hell forever. Why? What the fuck was the point of that? God is petty, spiteful, vindictive, callous and cold. Or not omnipotent. One or the other. You know what? Either way I’m not going to “worship” it.
And then there’s the most obvious third answer, that there’s no god, which is the only option that makes sense at this level.
