I’m kind of sick of being a dev. I hate AI with a passion.
I hate the hallucinations, I hate slop, I hate megacrops, I hate the environmental impacts, I hate the massive costs. I could go on but you get the picture.
At work I often times have to review vibe code slop from people who clock in 9 to 5 and don’t give a fuck (I respect that, I just wish your fucking code wasn’t slop)
I’m sick of it, I’m sick of hearing about AI tooling or new models or bro agentic actions bro based on your documentation bro.
I want to switch careers, so which career is not ruined by AI?
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Idk maybe I’m wrong, but this feels like more of a hiring issue than AI. You should still be hiring good engineers, and you shouldn’t incentivize them to go so fast that they have to vibe code everything. Let good engineers use AI if they want, and not use it if they don’t want to. If their code is bad, it’s their fault, not the tools they are using.
Engineer
Rocket scientist
Electrician
Plumber
Mechanic
Structural engineer
Surveyor
Anyone with a professional job that requires a degree, or even the most basic level of technical knowledge know that an LLM cannot replace their job by “putting words in enough of an order to sound like a person” or “drawing a picture that looks like something”
Devs tend to say To hell with it! and lead happy lives in agriculture.
I know a couple.As for agriculture:
Interstellar (movie) has a good example on how that could look like.
But remove the single person/family with corps.TLDR: GPS controlled automated harvesting machines.
CEO
I’m a bar technician. I help set up bars at events.
I can see the staff being replaced by robots at some point but not the installation.
Unless it’s some sort of futurama bar style robot
Join us, become a tradie. Get a company vehicle. Work with your hands. Become enough of an expert in your trade that you can tell customers to go fuck themselves if they’re dicks. Have every company in the area be desperate to hire you because every trade is short handed. Work with people who barely understand the concept of a computer. Spend half of every paycheck on milwalkee packout tool boxes. Never have to work with AI again.
My preference is HVAC-R but plumber or electrician are also good choices. Building automation may seem attractive but then you’re getting close to the AI danger zone again.
Ironically, the three trades you listed are in high demand right now specifically because of the rapid rollout of the data centers needed to power AI.
A couple of thoughts on this as a union electrician: for starters AI is absolutely having an (arguably negative) impact on manpower fulfillment. In my area the massive expansion of data centers is causing a manpower shortage for all projects not funded by massive tech companies. This is complicated because it’s inflating income for tradesmen due to demand, but it’s also pressuring workers into ridiculous schedules (think 4x10s, 2x8s, and most Sundays) and is forcing contractors that aren’t running data center work to completely rework their payment structure and bid practices. Many of these sites are also a 1-2 hour commute for a large number of tradies. A lot of these guys have been gaslit for decades into thinking working more OT somehow makes them a better person.
Beyond that, while I haven’t personally seen it yet AI will absolutely begin worming its way into design; a process already riddled with issues and errors largely due to time constraints. Clients are going to want work done faster and cheaper, which will pressure design teams into using AI tools in the name of expediency, which will lead to more errors in the construction process, leading to inflated costs and likely problematic installations.
That’s not even getting into the future of AI robotics which absolutely will be impacting our tradesmen directly in the near future.
It’s coming for us too.
I’m not an electrician, but I have a relative that is. You nailed it. We’ve got a couple DCs going up near by, and he was asked to commit to a 2 year commitment for just one of them, working exactly the hours you said. He agreed because I think they are paying double time for all OT, and that’s good money. They asked if he wanted to sign on for the other DC but he declined for the obvious time reasons. It’s definitely had an effect on available workers for other projects since seemingly all hand are on deck.
I’m not familiar with the architecting process, but I can absolutely see how AI will be, if not already, involved with generating plans. It will shit something out faster than anyone could create it, but it will lose that value in review and the inevitable mistakes that make it through. AI is a cancer
i went into a dying trade in my 20s ugh and stuck with it now i’m too old to start a new one outside of maybe CDL. so yeah make sure you are physically up to it first (i am in very good shape for my age and look 10 years younger but i would be obliterated by the multiple year “break in” apprentice period again and likely would just get in a fist fight with someone trying to “break me” and destroy them and go to prison or vice versa)
Maybe I just skipped it because I was a factory tech for a while but there was no “breaking” in my experience. The worst we have is a tendancy to throw aprentices into being full techs a bit too quick sometimes.
i’m sure it varies place to place, might have something to do with where i reside
i have family that could fast track me into commercial HVAC tech (which i could absolutely handle) and skip the grunt work/crawlspace/installation stuff but they are a bit too far away for me to leverage the connection
Yeah, that’s probably a lot of it. Around me everywhere is so short handed that companies will bend over backwards to get/keep people. Beating up on newbies is a great way for them to have no employees because those newbies could just as easily get a job at a dozen other outfits the next day.
Also, I hate to tell you this but, commercial doesn’t necissarily keep you out of crawlspaces. It’s more rare but the few crawlspaces that you do wind up having to deal with wind up being much bigger (and not in the good way).
And say goodbye to your knees!
Largely agreed, but if large-scale social problems flood the trades then we have another problem on our hands.
I’m thinking about finishing out my career with that kind of transition.
I’ve always done various office work and have been good at it, but I know I’m on borrowed time.
At some point in the next 1-3 years, they’ll automate 90%+ of what I’m doing, and I’ll be out the door. And being late 40s, with the job market being what it is, and admittedly me not skilling up much most of the last decade or so… I have I just don’t have what’s needed to get back to work in favorable conditions once that inevitable canning happens.
Fortunately, I have a friend of the family who’s a long time HVAC guy, and the company he works for has been short handed for quite a while. I figure if I start training up in the very near future, I’ll be able to transition over without too many issues, and If I’m careful, I won’t have to beat myself up too much in the decade or so before I retire.
I think the powers that be have an ultimate goal of combining AI and robotics to automate the trades too, but they are much further away on that… it should be a safe space for long enough.
AI will never be able to throw bricks at cops. Something to consider
Do you get dental?
The settlement money from the city after I get my eyes blown out by “less lethal” rounds tends to cover it.
You’re from Stuttgart
Im not sure if this a meme or an accusation. But I am not, neither the one in Germany or Arkansas.
It just so happened that in Stuttgart there were protests and police in fact did blow one guy’s eye out of the socket in a very similar way you said.
I thought that you’re referring to that.
No :( only vision to ensure good aim
A drone with a cord goes a long way.
Anything that requires physical work. Manufacturing, trades, etc… But, there’s the caveat that AI may still indirectly affect these too.
I did this 9 years ago. I make 2/3rds of what I did in software, but I don’t regret it. pivoted to environmental work. My job satisfaction is like, a thousand percent better.
Can you say any more about the type of environmental work?
I started over doing entry level spray tech work treating exotic plants through americorps and worked my way up. I do a lot of field data collection and gis work now. So, I still utilize my old software skills. I work for my local government doing environmental land management.
GIS is definitely a software adjacent job that is utilized a lot in land management. But that isn’t the initial route I took. I really did just kind of started over.
Thank you for sharing
Anything that’s based on physical work or human contact. Trades, medical/social work, psychology, emergency workers…
Psychology? A lot of folks are already using ai as a virtual therapist
That is the equivalent of saying “we don’t need doctors since we can put bandaids on wounds”
Psychology is about a lot more that what LLMs can do
Doesn’t mean psychology can’t be ruined by AI anyway.
so is art or even programming for that matter, but here we are.
Correct, we don’t need Doctors for every scrape in the exact same way that I can explain a social situation to a LLM and it can help by referencing back to published literature on that particular topic, suggesting clear guidelines as to how to move forward. Sure there are also broken arms and cancer exists, but the base level (and moving up the chain) is absolutely coming for Psych work.
I’m in building maintenance. It’s not affected at all by AI. Most of the trades are safe. Basically anything which would require both advanced LLM and advanced robotics to replace.
a career in poisoning AI
See if Haven Social are hiring?
would be nice if i can make a living out of doing that lol
Alas, they’re not paying for that. They’re not paying for what they need to achieve their goals either.
I feel ya. But the pendulum will probably swing back the other way soon and we’ll have a ton of companies hiring to undo/replace slop code. That’s how it has been for previous coding fads, anyway.
I’m so tired of my skill and income being beholden to the whims of bullshit artists though.
I work in a datacenter. I rack servers, I look after the cooling system, the generators, the ups’s, etc. I won’t ever be replaced by AI. Without me there is no AI. And I barely interact with it. I play with toys all day.
The environmental impacts still bother me. But IT has always been wasteful, even before AI. I hate recycling days when I see exactly how much plastics, styrofoam and metals are going to the dump.
Previously the equation was trying to get as much processing out of every kilowatt-hour, now the equation is trying to use as much energy as possible. The impact of AI eclipses IT loads from before by a massive margin, and because of the theory behind it will never, ever do any better than it is right now. The environmental impact should bother you because it’s massive and getting bigger.
And you’re helping set it up and keep it going. I know what it’s like to run a datacenter, I did it for a decade and a half. I’m not going to say I’m making more money now, but I do sleep much better.
My datacenter doesn’t host AI. Most of my servers process data coming from the square kilometer array in Australia. We’re looking for aliens
Problem is, cost of living is so extremely high where I live and I don’t know what else I would do to make enough money to stay here. I’m really good at this job, and I don’t have very many other talents
It could be a lot worse too. Our cooling system is a closed loop so we aren’t using fuck tons of water like newer datacenters. In the winter we can mostly get away with air cooling from outside air. And the power in my city is all from hydro dams
So when you said “Without me there is no AI,” what were you referring to?
Maintence/upkeep on servers in general, pretty fucking obvious what they meant.
This person is likely in facilities, I doubt they are touching servers much after they’re racked. Maybe a crash cart is shit really hits the fan and ops can’t get in remotely.
They went from directly being responsible for AI to having nothing to do with it. My question is not unreasonable.
People like me are required to keep this AI empire going. There doesn’t seem to be a huge pool of people who are both computer people and good at physical labour/using tools.
I just meant that AI isn’t going to make me unemployed
I do a lot of system administration too. It depends on the system and who owns it. I do a pretty wide variety of work which is why I love it
We had facilities monkeys like you describe but after a reorg they gave those responsibilities to whichever sysadmins showed the most interest, which is how I got the job. I’d rather play with toys than stare at a screen all day so the jump was a no brainer to me
I’m picking up furniture making. Handcrafted furniture will always be needed
IKEA made that a niche market though.
It really never did though. People have never stopped buying high end furniture
What? Ikea wrecked that a long time ago. Not that you can’t make a living but the demand isn’t high in any way whatsoever. Hand crafted furniture has become a luxury.
Hand crafted furniture has become a luxury
So you make more money selling them. I see no issues.
No issues, just become a master craftsmen and compete with other master craftsmen. Easy.
Bring back guilds.
The issue is in finding buyers who have enough money to spend on those luxury goods.
I feel like luxury goods are harder to get into in terms of career change and it’s a bit off to characterize them as always needed.
The market for high quality furniture never went away. And if we enter a global depression, a local furniture maker will again be a necessity
If we enter a depression, people will have less money to spend on luxuries. I just think the percentage of people buying hand made furniture is kind of low. I think most people “buy” them from friends and family doing it as a semi-hobby, or are rich, at least in my experience.
Not trying to be overly critical, just saying it’s not easy.
As a side note, I’ve noticed no one makes nice wooden informational kiosks with integrated touch screen even though orgs like museums would likely buy them over plastic and metal ones. Just an idea if you were looking for a niche product.
I said necessity, not luxury… If we enter a global depression, there won’t be cheap IKEA furniture anymore
