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There’s a risk […] that Zelenskiy will be forced into negotiations
Oh well, quite mask off
don’t you get it? how can we establish democratic peace if we don’t bomb those russians and take over their land? You can’t be kind and talk it out, especially against these russians. Now I understand civilians are involved. But then, why did they vote for Putsin? They aren’t so different from the government, and if they hate it so much, just get out of there. not that difficult. why are people talking about international peace relations as if it can be achieved? Violence is inherent in us. It is a human trait. Didn’t international peace cause Stalin and Nazi Germany to kill 10 trillion people? People should take this more seriously and keep emotions off politics. For fucks sake.
Would’ve been a 10/10 lib spew if you’d have found a way to work ‘the end of history’ somewhere in there; as such I can only award this a 7.8 out of 10
If history ever ends before heat death, something has gone horribly wrong.
Under communism there is a big red shiny button with a hammer and sickle on it that we just press to prevent heat death of the cosmos. Everything outside of our bubble reboots.
how can we establish democratic peace if we don’t bomb those russians and take over their land?
Barely anybody says that besides some uninteresting figures mentioning a ridiculous idea of balkanizing Russia… (Balkanize my balls).
But then, why did they vote for Putsin?
Putin isn’t a legitimate leader who got honest public’s vote. In reality most of Russians who are dependent to governmental institutions are forced to participate in the electoral apparatus for statistics’ sake only. People just have to show up. There’s various cases of fully discovered falsifications, independent spectatorship isn’t allowed. The whole process is just shady, especially after “online vote” has been established, which has pretty non-trasperent protocol.
They aren’t so different from the government, and if they hate it so much, just get out of there. not that difficult.
Unironically this, since the summer of 2021 Zelensky has been pushing for proper face-to-face negotiations with Vladimir Putin personally and was… Geopolitically ghosted. Zelensky was ready to make Pashinyan at the start of the war and basically… Give up Crimean region. Seeing all of the tactical and local failures of Russian military made it obvious that they weren’t planning for long-term, full-scale attrition war that required full involvement and genuine contributions from society.
Why are people talking about international peace relations as if it can be achieved?
Modern humanity established certain systems throughout these two centuries, despite all of the internal contradictions of modern governments’ development and longing for full-scale mobilized and militarized societies, we created mostly consistent precedents of geopolitical relations… Yes, they’re hypocritical, yes, they’re not fair and they left an irrational policeman with a huge propane baton in charge of our globalized economy, but at least they prevent consistent genocides, long-term attrition wars amongst European nations.
Didn’t international peace cause Stalin and Nazi Germany to kill 10 trillion people?
Entirely backwards, Stalin and Nazi Germany killing 10 trillion people caused international peace.
I’m sure this one will bury themselves sooner or later, so it’s not like I’m gonna cry for a ban, but you gotta be on high alert with this influx of new accounts. You might think I’m crazy now, but we might get actual Ukrainian psyop trolls here now.
More like some grains of truth in that joke prompted a sheet of western plans for Russia, Zelensky and Amerikkkan hegemony apologia. There is a whole thread of…whatever that is now too, see for yourself. Might be a lib, might be a Russian trot, they’re not very different these days.
the latest comment cleared things up, another mod handled it
Did you submit the account ban application or waiting for more reports? If so tell me how to?
So…how did a shitlib get their account approved? xD
Putin isn’t a left-wing leader to call me a shitlib for criticizing him.
You aren’t criticizing, you’re regurgitating shitlib propaganda.
And thanks for proving your brain works on markers for the people in the back.
P.S. Сёмин и Рудой из запоя уже вышли?)
Ah, so you’re a zhozhik… Honestly, I’d pick Syomin over Rudoy any day. But arguing with a zhozhik is just a pity method of attracting trivial self-insults.
And thanks for proving your brain works on markers for the people in the back.
Honestly don’t know what you meant by that…
Works like a charm…
Also, you missed.
For local comrades: “Zhocheki” is a group of ML content creators from post-Soviet countries that didn’t jump on Syomin’s 180 wagon when he started retranslating western bullshit all of a sudden come SMO and have been working closely with humanitarian aid organizations in Donbass since.
You know, real traitors of Marxism. /s
Criticize all but not in a way to imply this war is all Putin’s fault and zelensky is all but not a jocker, a CIA transplant.
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Yeah, got it, completely. That will do.
Just tell me how to Report a user on lemmy, btw.
The Ukrainian President still left the door open for negotiations with Russia, but that will not be conducted with Putin as its President.
F***ing Jocker…
I’m talking about summer of 2021, when possibilities of Russia waging war against Ukraine were seen as impossible by arrogant western “Experts”.
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That line pissed me off bc Xi Jinping and a few other non-aligned states have tried to get them to the diplomatic table and end this, but obv Zelenskyy was too self-centered and war-hungry to see reason.
I heard about Xi Jingping doing this but never heard what resulted of that. Does anyone have good documentation of the conversation?
Zelensky told Xi he want Crimea back
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Crimea (or was it a different region) want to be annexed by Russia and that’s what made NATO step in?
I mean basically everyone in Russia considers it to be Russian. My favorite thing in the late 2010s was all the libs creaming their jeans over Navalny, only for him to basically be like “Yea I don’t like Putin…Crimea is still Russia tho” lol
the people there wanted to join the Russian Federation for a long time, and it finally happened after the fascist coup
Okay so it was Crimea that wanted to leave Ukraine. I see so many regional names thrown around I get confused so thank you.
Anyway, at this point if they wanted to leave to damn bad why is Zelensky being so stubborn? The people there don’t even want to be a part of Ukraine anymore, why would he want to keep it?
It’s not really about Zelensky, he’s basically a figurehead, like most leaders in capitalist countries. The capitalists (Ukrainian and foreign, mainly Amerikan) and the military are more or less in control of Ukraine at this point (Zelensky himself was heavily funded by one of Ukraine’s largest capitalists). As for why they care about retaining Crimea, I’m sure there are economic reasons for the Ukrainian capitalists, Amerika is likely just using it to ensure that there won’t be a peace deal, and there are certainly reasons for the Nazis who control the military; if you look at what they’ve done to people they viewed as Russian collaborators throughout the conflict and what they’ve been doing to the people in the Donbas, you can imagine what they’d do if they got a hold of Crimea
Crimea was handed to Ukraine by Krushchev in the time of the USSR, it was Russian before that for I don’t know how long, but as others said pretty much everyone living in Crimea is Russian to this day.
it was Russian before that for I don’t know how long
1783, the fall of Crimean Khanate, but most of population was Slavic for a loong time by then, Tatars ruling it were a minority.
They really want to start a third world war
Well yes, the world is restructuring itself. They got fat after the fall of the USSR, but not as much as they wanted.
Nothing is ever enough for capitalist parasites. They could monetize the multiverse itself and still speak of upcoming quarterly profits.
And the greedy parasites are so ill-informed of their own system they don’t even realize the unescapable inevitability of the capitalist model: eventually profit will become 0. They can’t hide behind “externalities” forever, despite their efforts.
Based on our track record it seems to be heading in that direction. I hope it doesn’t come to that.
I remain cautiously optimistic that a nuclear conflict isn’t anywhere near likely
I hope it won’t devolve into nukes, but they are sending cluster bombs so that sucks.
I don’t much like this Tisdall guy. Occasionally I look over The Guardian, and whenever I see one of his opinion pieces, it’s always something along the lines of “why not enforcing Anglo imperialist aims is bad!”
And the sad part is that he genuinely seems to believe that continued Anglo dominance is somehow a positive thing for the world
And the sad part is that he genuinely seems to believe that continued Anglo dominance is somehow a positive thing for the world
His entire worldview seems to stem from that. Couping and usurping other countries is totally fine, long as it is the western powers that do it.
“Tisdall is a proponent of regime change as a political and military tool of Western bloc countries to enforce a change of government or leadership in an opposing or designated enemy country.”
Why am I not surprised.
is it just me or does that picture of the
propogandistwriter look like the epitome of a Liberal wanker?The face of a guy who would be celibate the rest of his life if his government (1) cracked down on prostitution and (2) started rigorously enforcing age-of-consent laws.
Do it, NATO. I dare you. I want to see US troops dying in Ukraine.
Me too, but at the same time, I don’t want a draft AT ALL
I will leave the US the minute I hear whispers of a draft occurring if that were to be a concern.
Go south. The canucks would just force you to enlist at the border whether you were called up or not.
I wouldn’t want to go to Canada anyway. Fear over where the US is going has been a huge motivating factor in improving my spanish I will say
I really need to start learning Chinese for this reason.
I want to get back into studying Chinese but haven’t it quite a few years. I’ve gotten so much better at Spanish than I ever was at Chinese I almost don’t want to go back.
Speaking as a latino, I would rather not be shot by the border patrol nazis. You think they give a shit about my I.D. as soon as they see my skin color?
If you are a citizen of the USA, you can just book a plane before the draft. Down South you don’t have to get visas most of the time and you can then just overstay your inexistent visa. Might be some trouble and cost adapting but it’s better than dying in Ukraine and I don’t think it’d be that much cheaper to go to Mejico that the alternative becomes prohibitive. You can even do the ol’ “Actually I just enrolled into university so I can’t fight” trick since Argentina and a few others have plenty of open admission zero-tuition universities.
The South welcomes you with free healthcare o7
Yes, NATO must do something! Give that guy a kit, and airdrop him over russian lines.
The over/under for some talking head saying “To save the
villageUkraine, we must destroy it” with a straight face is August 17.How many Ukrainian soldiers are even left, do you think? They’ve been getting ground into dust nonstop for a year and a half. If their army is legitimately gone then no wonder we’re seeing more calls for Nato intervention.
don’t worry about that, when there’s no more Ukrainians left, the US will send Canadians
Well they have enough of the Ukranian diaspora in Canada they could probably form a brigade… :-/
How is this person qualified to write this article if, in a “profession” publication he can’t write NATO in uppercase?
I often write “nato” but I do it intentionally to signify my derision. I also do this with “nazis” “trump” and “biden.”
Yeah, but you aren’t writing news articles. News articles ought to always use the offical name
I don’t see how the guy is wrong? Putin shouldn’t be allowed to annex countries as he likes?
Weird, I can not remember that shit, or you for that matter, caring when the USA did the exact same thing. Back then Russia stated that this would set a dangerous precent, and here we are.
What’s your alternative to even greater slaughter? Send in the next wave, so you can feel self rightious?
Dang is that your best rebuttal? USA whataboutism? And assuming that, just because I saw this nonsense on my feed and deigned to disagree, I automatically support any dumb old war and gleefully cheer on the carnage?
The way to end this war is to make it clear to Russia that Ukraine has the West’s absolute and unending support, that for every day they spend engaged in this fruitless invasion, their society plunges closer and closer to the stone age. This is best done by meeting Ukraine’s materiel requirements and continuing to diplomatically isolate Russia. If Ukraine gets F-16s, the war will be over by Christmas.
Please also remember, the West is not the aggressor here. Ukraine’s membership in NATO was explicitly refused in 2008 and at the 2021 Brussels summit, shortly before Russia invaded anyway. Russia had no reason to believe that Ukraine was gonna become an American military base, but invaded anyway. The moral responsibility for any casualties that have/will have occurred as a result of this war fall squarely on the shoulders of Russia’s mafia-style dictatorship.
