The Chinese leader Biden told China’s ambitions to control Taiwan were unchanged at a meeting meant to reduce tensions.
That’s what Xi said.
… try… they’re going to try to take over Taiwan.
No, they would very thoroughly lose. China’s in no condition to take on the US, let alone decouple its economy from the global community.
“global” is turning out to be a small handful of countries, and the other block is actively securing the rest of the world into their influence
I mean, I agree, but that doesn’t mean China could “win” in an offensive military action against Taiwan. Taiwan is literally a fortress and Taiwan/China cultural overlap is too significant to drive strong warmongering sentiment.
An invasion is such a silly suggestion that it doesn’t even need consideration. At best, it would be a pyrrhic victory with millions dead on both sides and the island in ruins.
The far more likely scenario is a
blockade, sorry, “economic embargo” of Taiwan… Of course, Cuba is a clear example of how ablockadeeconomic embargo doesn’t really work, so…That’s a political win situation, regardless. What’s 10 million lives if you can claim that you successfully did the work that even the great leader Mao couldn’t achieve 50 years before?
Millions? That’s just another Sunday as far as Chinese warfare goes.
That would undoubtedly be a victory for China. A ruined island can be rebuilt and kept forever. An independent island cannot.
Hahaha sure thing mate.
China and Russia have funded and installed infrastructure to increase the quality of life (as in, keep the politicians elected, as well as put into their debt and influence) of most countries that aren’t either directly touching America, a part of Western Europe, or down Australia way.
So US, Canada, Mexico, a lot of South America, the Philippines, South Korea, Vietnam, Singapore, Taiwan, UK, Ireland, Scotland, all of the EU (27 countries with an 18 trillion gdp), any other western aligned or NATO countries Norway, Iceland, Australia and more…
Versus china and a country with a smaller economy than Texas… you got things backwards.
Hahahaha oh fucking hell that is hilarious.
Like you actually made me legitimately laugh, thanks for that.
care to elaborate? i agree with the sentiment but laugh is not an argument
They laugh because there is no logical argument. They distract and make fun of it so you dont bother to actually look it up to see the numbers for yourself.
Take a look at which countries get heavy investments from China and Russia, then take a look at voting records in the UN on issues that are favourable to Russia or China.
You see the same thing in the western voting block, which has more influence at the moment. You can see how change is difficult when the whole world wants something but one white guy doesnt.
I’m not going to spend my effort arguing with someone with such out there believes.
It’s like arguing with a flat earther, why bother? They’ve decided what they want to know and that’s that.
“The chinese leader Biden”?
He’s playing both sides, so he comes out on top.
I let kbin auto-fill the post contents/title, surprised it edited it like so?
The “Democratic” Party is owned by China, Republicans of course by Russia? 🤔
So, One China Policy still stands. Breaking news, status quo?
China has long had a unification plan. It’s not really anything new. There’s just been a huge political football made out of it for decades. And of course that led to stupidly huge over investment in their economy by the rest of the globe as a way to encourage China to back off. Xi doesn’t see the value in the status quo. It’d be like California seceding, then making tons of money while the rest of the US went fascist and built military power. Same ending.
I wish Biden had the balls to tell him to his face: “no you won’t”.
I’m glad he didn’t. Authoritarians are not known for their sense of humor. There was that one time he told Putin “I don’t think you have a soul” to his face. The reply was basically “we understand each other”.
Then there was the time Obama roasted Trump at a dinner, and it made him so bitchmad that he ran for president.
Maybe zingers should stay out of politics.
Did Obama inadvertently create this Trump nightmare we are in?
It’s conjecture
“Oh come on Jack.”
If he did that there’s a good chance of a conflict that leads to war without international support. Basically everyone who doesn’t want to give up relations (cheap trade) with China has an opening to blame the US for the outbreak of war (even while condemning the invasion itself) to stay on China’s good side. China would then likely attempt to use the situation to further erode the USD as the world reserve currency - which is really the biggest weapon they can wield against us.
Right now Taiwan is Kuwait in 1990. If China invades we can claim moral high ground and move in as an international coalition. Until then we can just make sure our allies agree with our stance. Publicly if possible.
Edit: Though Biden could and should encourage some of our Generals to issue “No Xi won’t” memos. They can get away with it on the international stage.
Sounds like a final warning to me
oh no
anyway
Has anyone read the founding documents of the PRC from 1949 1949? China’s policy has always been “we will unify with Taiwan, by military means if necessary.” It’s like saying “God Save The Queen” or “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” There’s a fundamental gap between what’s written officially as a matter of “this is what I believe” and what’s implemented in policy.
If it didn’t warrant a hostile reaction a decade ago, it doesn’t warrant one today. China isn’t any closer to military action against Taiwan today than they were a decade ago. The First, Second, and Third Taiwan Strait Crises showed that the status quo would be basically impossible to flip militarily without millions of lives lost. It’s much easier to just expand trade, expand travel, expand cultural interchange, and expand immigration.
Pretty sure the founding documents are more like… the constitution, not some super creepy thing that only school kids recite. A thing that wasn’t even a thing until a civil war era union officer came up with it.
There’s so much stuff coming out about China gearing towards Taiwan and its pretty scary. Either we let dictatorship shithole take a democratic militarized country by force or China will be put to Russian level shame and basically never recover. That’s some real ww3 stuff. I hope Europe gets their shit together until that time comes.
America can’t afford to lose Taiwan, they make too many semi conductors.
From my understanding they are one of a very few handful of places that can make the chips that are being used in training the current AI. Taiwan is one of the main ones.
Afaik the semiconductor argument is a bit outdated. It would be very expensive to switch production out of Taiwan but you know what would be more expensive? Hot conflict with China which would be unavoidable if they invade Taiwan.
The economic damage would be brutal to the point where it’s actually the biggest deterant and that’s why we should trade more with China imo.
At least he’s honest
Even Taiwan considers itself part of China, it just thinks its the mainland that’s in rebellion. It would be weird if he said they’d never take over Taiwan.
I can’t see the CCP risking an invasion anytime in the next decade, but who knows.
No.
A majority of Taiwanese support independence. Only 11% want to re-unite with the mainland one day. Taiwan has to continue to support the status quo because China will most likely declare war on them if they change that.
This is the same China that couldn’t wait a few years to let Hong Kong fully transfer over before cracking down with brutal protests (Which helped the Taiwanese independence movement a lot). If they feel like Taiwan is going to go independent, it’s pretty likely they’ll make another rash ill thought out decision.
I think you misunderstand what the person you are replying to is saying. He isn’t saying that the majority of Taiwan considers itself part of the CCP and wants to reunite with the current Chinese government. He is saying they consider Taiwan as part of Taiwan’s China and would like to rule over China again with the CCP gone. Taiwan is where the Chinese ruling party fled to when the rebels won the civil war, which was then taken over by another country, then another country, then set free to be independent, and now the CCP/China wants Taiwan to be in their fold.
I disagree with the assessment that the CCP won’t risk an invasion in the next decade, though.
No I got it. I’m aware of the
The younger generation think of themselves as Taiwanese. Believing they still own the mainland and will reclaim to reunite the countries is not what people believe or want these days.
Taiwan does not want the rule over the mainland, it wants to be its own country.
