Yep, this is why I lost faith in these giant tech companies, my next phone will be Fairphone
I’m waiting for a fairphone with a headphone jack and then hopping on that.
Oh, the headphone jack… using a phone without it is so counter productive and annoying, wait for the phone to fully charge, now wait for your headsets to charge too, I don’t know why we’re moving backwards 🙄
I used to feel this way until I realized that a large percentage of phone users rarely used earbuds or headphones, including myself. Wired earbuds were a pain in the ass, nobody wanted to carry a coiled up cable in their pocket all day. But a little clamshell with a couple small buds in it fits pretty well into a jeans pocket. Once wireless earbuds hit the market, everyone started using them for a reason.
The only real argument for an analog headphone jack at this point is audio fidelity, and if you care about that you’re 1, not using your phone with a cheap DAC to do it and 2, your headphones probably use a 1/4" jack not a 3.5mm one. Wireless protocols are also catching up to analog as far as audio quality as well, and most people expect IP68 from a good phone these days, and you’re not getting that with a 3.5mm audio jack or removable battery.
The consumers who care about an audio jack on phones these days are a very vocal minority.
They were no more of a pain than fishing out a wireless holder, and they took up even less space. The reason people used wireless was because manufacturers stopped giving people the option to use wired. That being said, having a headphone jack still lets you use wireless.
And nobody actually uses wired for audio quality, they use it because they don’t have to charge their headphones and separate headphone case or deal with the health of another battery, they can connect and disconnect their audio devices faster and easier, they don’t have to pay for an extra wireless chip and dac in their headphones or a third battery and electronics in a case.
There’s actually quite a few good reasons to have the option available if you want it. I’d argue this is a “dress with no pockets” scenario, where everybody begrudgingly puts up with it because the manufacturers don’t give them an option.
Pretty much every single person i talk to about this thinks that removing the headphone jack was a stupid idea, and those who don’t think it’s stupid are indifferent anyway.
Galaxy S5 was IP67 with a headphone socket, removable battery and dedicated microSD card slot. Others have also existed. Taking like adding a headphone socket costs more than 5 cents is stupid.
I’m a Bluetooth buds convert now, but I’d still like the choice.
IP67 and IP68 are considerably different. It’s basically the difference between water-resistant and water proof. IP67 could handle splashes of water and, at least on paper, brief submersion. In reality, most. IP67 phones did not handle any level of immersion well.
IP68 on the other hand allows phones to be submerged deeper in water and for much longer. You can have IP67 with those features, but IP68 is a different beast.
LoL… Really?
1 number apart, but considerably different. Sure.
Difference between x5 and x7 maybe. To pass x6 a device must be submerged to a depth of 1m for 30 minutes.
IPx7 is for a device intended to operate permanently submerged. So not a phone.
That fact your picking the difference shows you don’t know the difference.
IP67 is just a marketing gimmick. I’d be impressed if a phone with this rating would endure 12 months submerged and still function. Who needs this anyway?
IP67 in reality won’t last 30 minutes submerged in most cases. I’ve had flagship level IP67 devices get damaged by water ingress by being splashed or dunked a couple inches into a pool for less than a second. My Pixel 8 Pro goes into the shower, bath, pool, hot tub, and rain with me and it’s never skipped a beat.
Wired earbuds were a pain in the ass, nobody wanted to carry a coiled up cable in their pocket all day. But a little clamshell with a couple small buds in it fits pretty well into a jeans pocket.
Lmao what??
Oh, sorry. Did you enjoy fishing them out of your pocket only to have everything else you happened to have in your pocket fall to the ground. Then once you picked up all your stuff, you still had to spend a couple minutes untangling and removing all the random knots that had appeared in your headphone cords since you put them in.
Somehow getting headphones out of my pocket isn’t such a challenge to me
Did everyone forget that Galaxy S5 exists with headphone jack, removable battery and water resistance?
It was IP67 not IP68, which is what I stated. While it’s possible to have a headphone jack and IP68 resistance, it’s not cheap and you likely won’t find it on anything but niche flagship phones like the Asus Zenphone.
Nokia XR21 has IP69k and headphones jack. Galaxy Xcover6 pro has removable battery, headphone jack, and micro SD slot with IP68. S10e has IP68, headphone jack and SD card slot.
I don’t buy that headphone jack and SD card slot must disappear to achieve water resistance. They removed them because it was cheaper to produce and make you buy more expensive phone with bigger storage and wireless headphones once the battery degrades.
The limitation is not tech, it’s the cost to include those features in an IP68+ device. The XR21 is a $650USD phone, that’s near flagship prices, and very far from a budget phone.
Is it possible to create a device that has a jack, SD slot, and removable battery that’s also IP68+ certified? Absolutely, but doing that is quite a bit more expensive than the same features on an IP67 or lower device.
It’s not that it’s impossible, but the device will be both more expensive, and considerably thicker. Most people do not care about a headphone jack anymore, and even less so SD card slots and removable batteries. They want thinner, cheaper, waterproof phones. These features aren’t in high demand, and aren’t profitable for companies to produce.
Whole disagreeing with you on usefulness of the jack, I will still point out one correction.
The USB c standard actually includes analog audio pin outs. So fidelity wise there’s no difference between using the adapter vs a 3.5mm jack.
However, since the removal of the jack, most phones have really skimmed down the dacs. Makes me miss my LG v40.
Exactly. If anything, I’d much rather like to see a secondary USB-C port, preferably on top of the device. That would be an actual benefit for almost everyone.
The point is that their earbuds are absolutely non repairable, and admittedly so. Really hope they can improve that, but I think they might just discontinue the earbuds in favour of repairable headphones.
Ooof really? That’s a shame. The wired earbuds seemed cool.
@jol wait… this site’;s layout is confusing…
I meant fairphone discontinued their controversial bluetooth in-ears. Wired in-ear headphones in general are having a bit of a renaissance with so called “chi-fi”. Chinese brands launched after 2015, that sound great for $20-$50. Check out Crinacle’s youtube channel
Do you really consider the $5 wired earbuds that came with the phone, the ones most people used, were repairable? Nah, they were way more disposable than even cheap wireless buds are these days.
You forgot the part where they used half the materials and parts.
Yet lasted 1/10th as long.
Well, FairPhone also had wired earbuds where you could replace the wires, which is the main reason people throw away wired earphones.
That’s what these are for
They are also available in a few different shapes that may work better depending on device and user preferences and cost like 2-6 bucks on Ali. I use a different one with my steam deck that also has a little U adapter that 180s the plug direction and braces it against the back so it doesn’t torque off if I rotate the device in my hands.
Having a jack entirely avoids the introduced problem by only having a USB port. Ie. Dongles
3.5mm jack is practically unbreakable. My usbc port isn’t.
From personal experience, headphone jacks have been more susceptible to wearing out than USB-C.
- The connection became so loose that the plug would slip out on its own.
- The jack would (I assume) partially lose contact, resulting in missing frequencies in the audio and crackling if I rotate the plug.
Both of these can be partially remedied by cleaning the port, but after six years with my old phone even that didn’t work anymore. The USB-C port still did, however.
Edit: Gotta love the downvotes without any actual counter arguments. Just because you don’t like my experience that doesn’t make it invalid.
I know that this post will probably be downvoted to hell, but I’m pretty sure no phone will return the headphone jack, ever.
You’re either gonna have to quit using smartphones entirely or just have to give up on the headphone jack dream. It’s never going to happen again
I’m waiting for one with a good camera.
I mean, there’s no lack of USB-C earphones these days, and adapters are tiny. I think for a brand like FairPhone the cost cutting of a feature almost no User cares for really makes sense.
Yes, adapters are tiny but they stock out sooooo much. At least with corded earphones some of them come with 90 degree plugs which is so much better and lesser chance of something breaking.
@jol @fubbernuckin Fairphone 4 owner here. I already had a dongle when I got it. Nope, it’s pretentious towards dongles, check list for known working models: https://forum.fairphone.com/t/fp4-list-of-usb-c-to-3-5-audio-jack-adapter/79386
at least the usb port is easy to replace if extra stress hurts it. They ate the extra “cost” with bluetooth buds, made with Fair trade metals, like their first phone. But un-repairable. People wanted lego modular design and felt that taking away the jack and selling disposable headphones was a conflict of interests.
Definitely not the same thing, flashing a custom ROM that was intended for a particular device into another, is a guaranteed way of breaking that device.
The OEM unlock option is worthy of something, yes, but useless if you can’t find a compatible ROM for that model
Also Nokia is owned by Microsoft, so my rule still stands, I lost faith and I just don’t trust them anymore
@electro1@infosec.pub wrote:
flashing a custom ROM that was intended for a particular device into another, is a guaranteed way of breaking that device.
I wasn’t talking about that at all. I just refered specifically about unlocking the bootloader. I know you have to find a specific ROM for every specific device.
So weird I cannot find one though. I bought the G22 because it just seemed the most affordable alternative to a Fairphone (i.e. you can change the battery and the screen if something happens, or the fingerprint sensor/lock button etc.).
On XDA there is not even a section for it.
Also Nokia is owned by Microsoft
No, they’re not any longer. Since a few years already. They gave up their rights to the brand after their phone projects flopped.
Nokia is now HMD Global. Not sure if they are better though…
Sometimes that does nothing, like on the meta quest 3.
(Also, salut!)
@ultra Salutare, salutare! 😀
This shit should be illegal.
I miss ownership of things that I paid for.
Unlock tool is unavailable at this moment but we are allowing the possibility to unlock, please stay tuned
One year later, radio silence
So it was a lie to not lose potential sales in short term while destroying credibility in long term?
So it was a lie to not lose potential sales
It’s sad, but only too tiny fraction of the phone buyers care about unlocking the bootloader for the company to be economically meaningful to care about.
And eventually, Google will drop this feature for the Pixel as well. You can bank on it. An unlockable bootloader adds absolutely nothing of value to these companies because it slows down year to year buying from consumers and isn’t as profitable. It is from their perspective, counter productive to leave this feature enabled. So this isn’t surprising in the least, tbh.
Asus and Google used it to bait enthusiasts and as soon as they established a user base they were comfortable with, they will remove it. If the phones stop selling, they will simply stop making them. It’s that simple. You keeping your phone updated and feature packed for several years is not how they intend to allow the market to stray.
They want year to year sales above all else. An unlockable bootloader negates that for the majority of those who buy phones with that feature.
Already dropped on pixels sold by Verizon 😢
Nah, the reputation they gain from us, the family tech guy, is worth more than the sales they lose from us specifically holding out longer than others. Plus they would lose the sales to us entirely when they stop.
I really wanted a zenfone 10 but purposefully avoided it hearing about the removal of the unlock tool. This is very unfortunate they are going this direction and doesn’t even seem like they have a good reason or understand how this actively hurts users.
One of the many reasons I stick with Pixels. Best security combined with friendliest 3rd party OS support.
Ass-sus is still ass.
Not only are they actively blocking unlocking, they are also have shit customer service.
I was looking for a new smartphone. I’m also for many many years a custom ROM user. The last moves from multiple manufacturers nearly oblige me to get a pixel.
nooo one of the main reasons i got this damn phone was the unlockable bootloader :(
one of us should make an android phone company that makes a phone with an open source default rom, unlockable/relockable bootloader, headphone jack with a proper DAC, ir blaster, no notch or punchholes (like the note9), latest spec of USB for the port and latest Snapdragon chip
And front facing speakers!
Idk what Samsung did on the S21, but it’s the first time I’ve been impressed by the speakers on a phone. The separation of audio channels is wild
From a fellow s21 owner, I’ve used the built in speakers more than any other phone I’ve ever owned whenever not using a headset. Between it and the 100x camera I refuse to upgrade.
I wish I grabbed the ultra. Maybe I still should.
I went from the S8+ to the S21. Night and day difference, obviously. But the S8+ did everything I needed. It was the same size with a better camera and battery.
Sony is fairly close
Except in the US’s version they for some reason won’t let you unlock it.
Great job losing a sale Sony.
Indeed, but I guess for most pricing might be an issue
