How else would anything interesting happen in the episode? In my head canon most of the federation is very responsible but also boring. That’s why the show follows this particular bunch of degenerates.
Well, I’m not deeply familiar with how their tech works but I assume they need basic matter to build things out of with their computers (like when they have food made) but maybe they make it from energy instead of matter. I enjoy Star Trek but I honestly don’t know the full deets on whether their matter creators need base matter or make it from energy. Either is seemingly still a finite resource.
I meant in the sense of like… Janeway is working with a limited set of resources, an extreme version of this. So that implies that being separated from the Federation can still result in lack of basic resources. Money is just trade for resources and a moneyless society doles out resources based on societal need.
So the Enterprise in general may not be as deeply far away as Janeway was, but can still be in a position where they don’t have better places to do such an experiment or may be limited on resources, in my imperfect understanding.
Replicators, just like the holodeck and the transporters convert energy into matter. They don’t need any base matter. Voyager did lack things, but what they mainly lacked were sources of long-term energy like dilithium and the Enterprise-D would not intentionally be so far away that they would run out of dilithium. The Enterprise almost never left the Alpha Quadrant of the galaxy. They were pretty much always within at most a month of rescue even if they were totally out of such things. Voyager was initially looking at no resupply for 70 years.
Replicators, just like the holodeck and the transporters convert energy into matter. They don’t need any base matter.
According to stuff like the Star Trek Technical Manual, this is not true.
Transporters work by disassembling you into your constituent particles, transporting those particles to the destination, and then reassembling them. It takes a lot of energy to do that, but officially anyway your particles are the same particles before and after.
Replicator works by transporting base nutrient stocks out of tanks into the replicator terminal, but this time it rearranges the nutrient stocks according to whatever the target recipe is
Perhaps those nutrients are very easily available so it’s not an issue, and the energy required is the bottleneck. At any rate, I don’t think Voyager or anything produced after that ever mentioned it.
I enjoy Star Trek but I honestly don’t know the full deets on whether their matter creators need base matter or make it from energy.
They need matter. Admiral Vance has this exchange with Osyraa in Discovery:
Osyraa: Hmm. It doesn’t quite taste like the real thing, does it?
Vance: I’ve never eaten a real apple.
Osyraa: Well, how sad. Apples are a thing of beauty. You want to talk about oppression, you should start in your own mess hall.
Vance: It’s made of our shit, you know. That’s the base material that we use in our replicators. We deconstruct it to the atomic level and then reform the atoms. It’s pretty good for shit, and we don’t have to commit atrocities for it.
… or its just tradition when a crew of a small group of individuals get sent out into the wild frontier where no one is monitoring them or going to stop them from doing anything.
If I sent you out with a hundred million dollar budget, a decked out modern RV with endless fuel, a bunch of military hardware and a crew of like minded people into the wild west of 1800s America … what would you guys end up doing after about two years wandering around out there on your own?
How else would anything interesting happen in the episode? In my head canon most of the federation is very responsible but also boring. That’s why the show follows this particular bunch of degenerates.
That’s basically the premise of Lower Decks lol
I considered that, too.
Enterprise is an exploration and research vessel so maybe their whole thing is they’re doing experiments on a shoestring out in the middle of nowhere.
Can you have a shoestring budget in a moneyless society?
Well, I’m not deeply familiar with how their tech works but I assume they need basic matter to build things out of with their computers (like when they have food made) but maybe they make it from energy instead of matter. I enjoy Star Trek but I honestly don’t know the full deets on whether their matter creators need base matter or make it from energy. Either is seemingly still a finite resource.
I meant in the sense of like… Janeway is working with a limited set of resources, an extreme version of this. So that implies that being separated from the Federation can still result in lack of basic resources. Money is just trade for resources and a moneyless society doles out resources based on societal need.
So the Enterprise in general may not be as deeply far away as Janeway was, but can still be in a position where they don’t have better places to do such an experiment or may be limited on resources, in my imperfect understanding.
Replicators, just like the holodeck and the transporters convert energy into matter. They don’t need any base matter. Voyager did lack things, but what they mainly lacked were sources of long-term energy like dilithium and the Enterprise-D would not intentionally be so far away that they would run out of dilithium. The Enterprise almost never left the Alpha Quadrant of the galaxy. They were pretty much always within at most a month of rescue even if they were totally out of such things. Voyager was initially looking at no resupply for 70 years.
According to stuff like the Star Trek Technical Manual, this is not true.
Transporters work by disassembling you into your constituent particles, transporting those particles to the destination, and then reassembling them. It takes a lot of energy to do that, but officially anyway your particles are the same particles before and after.
Replicator works by transporting base nutrient stocks out of tanks into the replicator terminal, but this time it rearranges the nutrient stocks according to whatever the target recipe is
Perhaps those nutrients are very easily available so it’s not an issue, and the energy required is the bottleneck. At any rate, I don’t think Voyager or anything produced after that ever mentioned it.
They need matter. Admiral Vance has this exchange with Osyraa in Discovery:
Osyraa: Hmm. It doesn’t quite taste like the real thing, does it?
Vance: I’ve never eaten a real apple.
Osyraa: Well, how sad. Apples are a thing of beauty. You want to talk about oppression, you should start in your own mess hall.
Vance: It’s made of our shit, you know. That’s the base material that we use in our replicators. We deconstruct it to the atomic level and then reform the atoms. It’s pretty good for shit, and we don’t have to commit atrocities for it.
Ask Tasha Yar.
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… or its just tradition when a crew of a small group of individuals get sent out into the wild frontier where no one is monitoring them or going to stop them from doing anything.
If I sent you out with a hundred million dollar budget, a decked out modern RV with endless fuel, a bunch of military hardware and a crew of like minded people into the wild west of 1800s America … what would you guys end up doing after about two years wandering around out there on your own?
Remember they aren’t they aren’t getting paid, they are there because they are the biggest risk addicts in the federation.