• mfed1122English
    1510·
    25 天前

    Since this has been identified as misinformation by many people in the thread, please delete this post or update the title to reflect that.

    Edit: I am extremely confused about the downvotes, would love to discuss the reasoning for it with someone.

    • Fredselfish@lemmy.worldEnglish
      141·
      26 天前

      Not misleading or false, and doesn’t say anywhere that it was said aloud but quoted. Making those words on your podium counts as quoting.

      • mfed1122English
        93·
        26 天前

        What’s misleading is that the phrase was never used by Nazis, but the content of the post says it is. That’s both false and misleading

          • mfed1122English
            1·
            25 天前

            Where does it mention the “one of ours, all of yours” quote?

            • Log in | Sign up@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              24 天前

              Hello? Republican policy matches Nazi mass retaliation policy and you’re splitting hairs over whether they used this exact form of words? On what planet is that the important part?

              • mfed1122English
                1·
                24 天前

                For people trying to decide whether to leave the country in the next 6-8 months, vs. Drop everything and evacuate now even if it means leaving a lot of stuff behind, there is a big difference between the administration directly quoting Nazi slogans vs inventing their own slogans that suggest the same behaviour but not actually yet acting on it.

                Also, no matter what, it’s not a Nazi slogan. That means that calling it a Nazi slogan IS objectively false. That’s not splitting hairs, that’s pointing out that the post is literally spreading a lie. In these times it is very important to preserve the truth, since it’s so hard to find reliable info. Blurring the lines between truth and falsehood is how the administration puts people in a state of paralysis where they aren’t sure what the correct reaction to things is.

                It is always important not to spread objectively false information.

                • Log in | Sign up@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  2·
                  24 天前

                  but not actually yet acting on it.

                  I hope you’re right and I’m wrong, but deporting people for not being white is already happening, extrajudicial execution is already happening, disregulated millitias with no accountability is already happening, retaliation on the scale of cities and States for not supporting the leader is already happening, armed removal of foreign leaders for nakedly political reasons is already happening, threatening to invade neighbouring countries is already happening, and here you are telling me it’s all fine because at least they haven’t copied the Nazis by killing off a whole village yet, they’ve just written their message of annihilation on a podium?

                  You are absolutely splitting hairs while citizens are openly abducted and killed in the streets. Again, have some sense of perspective! For you it hinges on the wording?!?!?

                  • mfed1122English
                    1·
                    24 天前

                    The wording is not just wording. Directly quoting a Nazi slogan would be an unambiguous endorsement of the Nazis. So far the administration behaves in ways that are like the Nazis, but they do not open fly swastika flags, etc.

                    So to say that I’m splitting hairs about wording, to me, feels the same as if an article said “Trump flies Nazi flag” and the flag is the thin blue line flag. Yes, you can make a good argument that the thin blue flag stands for the same thing as the Nazi’s flag, but surely, however alarming it would be for him to fly a thin blue line flag, it should be more alarming for him to fly the literal Nazi flag. It feels as though you’re saying something like “you’re just splitting hairs over the colors and shapes on the flag, the meaning is the same”. But clearly the meaning is not quite the same - the colors and shapes on the flag DO have additional meaning that changes the urgency of the situation. The actions of the administration are horrible, the phrase on the podium is horrible, but I think there is still a substantial difference in what constitutes a reasonable response to it that depends on whether it is an actual Nazi quote or not. And in my hypothetical situation, a headline like “Trump flies Nazi flag” would be a blatant falsehood and misinformation, regardless of the underlying symbolic content of the flag he flew.

                    Thank you for being polite and not calling me a bot or whatever else. It’s valuable to talk with level headed people to adjust my ongoing measure of the risk of staying here and the urgency of leaving.

      • Sjmarf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        33·
        25 天前

        The post says “today the Trump admin quoted the Nazi mass murder slogan”. The Trump admin did not quote a Nazi mass murder slogan. So, it’s misinformation.

          • Sjmarf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            25 天前

            They did, yes. So if the post had said “Trump marketing reminiscent of Nazi mass murder policy”, it would have been correct.

            But it doesn’t - it used the word “slogan”, which implies it was a self-descriptor. The Nazis never used that phrase in reference to themselves, so the post is misleading.

            From the substack you linked:

            Historians note that while the exact wording “One of ours, all of yours” was not a verbatim Nazi slogan, it encapsulates a Nazi ethos[3]

            Again, I fully agree that that the phrase encapsulates Nazi policy quite well, I’m just disputing that it’s a “Nazi slogan”.

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              22·
              25 天前

              And you’re wasting your time and effort spring hairs while ice murders citizens in the street. Of was nazi policy. Now it’s republican policy. Get some perspective, for goodness’ sake!