Iā€™ve been speaking some time with an obviously ND person. Iā€™m not sure exactly what they struggle with, but itā€™s outwardly noticeable as such (kind of stumbling around, shaking, general social awkwardness, sometimes having outbursts). They also have explicit hearing problems.

We were in a larger group making small talk, and they asked me to repeat what I said, to which I reponded, ā€œoh, nothing importantā€. They responded immediately ā€œisnā€™t it the listener who should decide whatā€™s important?ā€ which I accepted and then did repeat what I said.

Their instant response signaled to me either that they often have the same situation where people donā€™t want to bother reprating themselves, and/or that they are much more mentally lucid than I prejudiciallly assumed.

Then I thought, isnā€™t one of the core aspects of social awkwardness that you donā€™t understand the situation you are in? That you canā€™t even hear what people are saying? And then if people donā€™t even bother repeating themselves upon request, wouldnā€™t you feel that people donā€™t value you, thus compounding alienation, anxiety, etc? This is obviously where I am part of the problem.

And all this because I donā€™t like repeating myself, to ND/hearing-impaired people or not. I donā€™t like having to raise my voice. The prospect of not being able to hear things is not something I ever have had to consider.

Anyone else have experiences like this? Know the view from the other side? Am I making sense?

  • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Iā€™m autistic and despite not really having hearing problems, I often canā€™t parse what people are saying. I can definitely say it feels really bad when someone says something, I donā€™t understand it, ask them to repeat and they brush it off. I understand that in the vast majority of cases, if they say itā€™s not important then it wasnā€™t, but I also donā€™t want to miss out on context. It makes it much harder to participate in a conversation actively.

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      Itā€™s kind of unfortunate since my aversion to speaking (loudly) and repeating myself is ND related as well. We should be comrades but in this particular situation it just doesnā€™t work out cleanly.

      Also, something not being important isnā€™t even a good criterion for dismissing it. Small talk is per definition unimportant, but itā€™s stillā€¦ wellā€¦ importantā€¦ for social cohesion, even if only because it acts as the glue that binds together tangential topics. If you canā€™t hear the topic, you canā€™t use it as a jumping off point.

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        Right, exactly. Itā€™s part of the reason why I do a lot better over text (especially because it gives me the opportunity to use images to convey meaning as well) than an in person conversation.

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    you are making sense and i think you have the right of it. personally i have some difficulty with auditory processing in loud environments. itā€™s not strictly a hearing problem, thatā€™s fine for my age, but it does make it much harder to go out and be social since yes, i often find myself having to ask people to repeat what they said.

    and i also donā€™t really like having to raise my voice, so your post makes sense from both sides for me.

    but heck yeah, letā€™s be considerate to our hearing impaired comrades! rat-salute-2

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    Just as another side to this, I am autistic and sometimes have trouble processing peopleā€™s speech especially if Iā€™m not, like, expecting them to speak. I often ask people to repeat themselves, sometimes they donā€™t, and thatā€™s fine.

    I hate repeating myself personally. Usually Iā€™ll give it one try, maybe two depending on the circumstance. And then Iā€™m just like ā€œdonā€™t worry about it, wasnā€™t that important.ā€ If itā€™s like the third time Iā€™m asked to repeat myself in one conversation Iā€™ll even be like ā€œnah dude, listen better.ā€

    Itā€™s one of those things that really isnā€™t as deep as we wanna make it sometimes. Repeating yourself is annoying, and it really isnā€™t only on the listener to decide what is important. Do you really wanna tell the same off-the-cuff joke that wasnā€™t that funny for the fourth time in a row?

  • Notcontenttobequiet [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Saw this last night and I wanted to give a thoughtful response.

    My partner has an auditory processing disorder and I have ADHD. Sometimes he has trouble hearing and/or processing and sometimes and I can ramble or mumble. We are a quite a duo haha. But, in all seriousness, I quite frequently have to repeat myself in speaking with him and I constantly need to remind myself that this is the reality. He also admits that he frequently asks ā€œwhat?ā€ as a reflex even if he does hear. I think itā€™s a common tic among those with auditory processing disorders.

    My experience when I need to repeat something he hasnā€™t heard and Iā€™m tempted to say ā€œoh itā€™s nothing importantā€ is to instead rephrase what Iā€™m saying more cogently. I recognize that itā€™s very possible that the reason the thing I said wasnā€™t heard was my own fault. Not speaking clearly, just blabbering, or just saying the first thing to come to my head. I instead, stop, think about what I said, find a clearer way to phrase it and repeat it. If itā€™s really not important, Iā€™ll usually stick with something like ā€œsorry I misspoke, what were you saying?ā€ or ā€œI need to think about what I really want to say before I respondā€ saying something like ā€œoh nevermindā€ or ā€œforget itā€ can come off as very passive aggressive, especially in a romantic relationship.

    Iā€™ve also learned that this is also a good tactic for people where English is not their first language. Language or processing barriers are not peopleā€™s faults and you can always do something to make things a bit easier for both parties when communicating. Not sure if this is helpful, but I wanted to convey my experience to you.