There’s a difference though. Very few people would care if the government knows they bought some whisky, and very few would care if that information leaks out. But people will care a lot if the government know what porn they’re consuming and WILL care if this information leaks out
No, I agree it shouldn’t be implemented for this. I was just using the ole’ lemmy switcheroo, because I think the comment I replied to was implying porn should be banned.
I was literally showing a person how ridiculous their argument for banning religion sounded in that comment by switching perspectives for them, but hey, who needs context 😜
But people will care a lot if the government know what porn they’re consuming and WILL care if this information leaks out
It’s an odd one, I’ll tell anyone down the pub who asks (although everyone seems to change the topic when I bring it up) and wouldn’t object to the government knowing, but I’d object to the government demanding to know everyone’s porn habits.
Yea, that makes sense, where I’ve seen it implemented here in America typically your ID is checked at point of delivery/pickup which also avoids the whole having to upload your ID to some random third party thing
It’s you again, maybe we should ban you from Lemmy!
Here’s my comment from the last time I saw this guy on the other post:
Because you’re deliberately trying to lead people away from God and telling people that they can trust their carnal desires instead.
Oh I see, you’re one of those religious nuts that tries to impose their beliefs on others and then gets angry when people try to tell people to err on the side of logic, science and facts instead of a fictional “god” and his book that’s completely unverifiable.
Shove it up your ass
Edit: oh wait sorry forgot I was on a UK community, shove it up your arse
Porn ruins lives, men’s impression of women and objectifies women, as well as pornhub helping facilitate the trafficking of children and being lenient on cp. But sure, it’s all about this “unverifiable” book, I guess
Religion ruins lives, men’s impression of women and objectifies women, as well as The Church helping facilitate the trafficking of children and being lenient on cp. But sure, it’s all about this “unverifiable” book, I guess
Organized religion has ruined far more lives than porn ever has, both directly and indirectly.
Millions upon millions of deaths and countless unnecessary suffering can be laid at the feet of religion, there’s a war going on because of religion right now. What was the last war that was started over porn? I don’t remember any crusades “in the name of porn”. Porn is all inclusive of everyone’s backgrounds, can’t say the same for religion.
And don’t go all “those are different sects/church’s, can’t blame their actions on my Church” blah blah blah, I could throw a dart at a dart board full of every religion, sect and church and pull up some deep dark atrocities about the one it lands on.
Identifying as Christian and actually being one are completely separate things. Hitler pretended to be a Christian in public yet hated it in private. Your own article even says this:
Nazi ideology could not accept an autonomous establishment whose legitimacy did not spring from the government. It desired the subordination of the church to the state. Although the broader membership of the Nazi Party after 1933 came to include many Catholics and Protestants, aggressive anti-Church radicals like Joseph Goebbels, Alfred Rosenberg, Martin Bormann, and Heinrich Himmler saw the Kirchenkampf campaign against the Churches as a priority concern, and anti-Church and anticlerical sentiments were strong among grassroots party activists.
Hitler’s Propaganda Minister, Joseph Goebbels, saw an “insoluble opposition” between the Christian and Nazi world views. The Führer angered the churches by appointing Alfred Rosenberg as official Nazi ideologist in 1934. Heinrich Himmler saw the main task of his SS organization to be that of acting as the vanguard in overcoming Christianity and restoring a “Germanic” way of living. Hitler’s chosen deputy, Martin Bormann, advised Nazi officials in 1941 that “National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable.”
I don’t think whether they were really Christian or not makes much difference to the argument. Sure the top of the party may not have been devout church goers, but the population needed a religious edge to be pushed into war.
So I ask myself: if the nazi were outgoing atheists world war 2 may not have happened?
It had little to do with religion, though. It was more to do with eugenics and science. There is no way you could justify the holocaust using the Bible.
I literally never said that. I was pointing out how athiest regimes, upon the dismissal of God, still carried out genocide and murder. I was pointing out how the argument saying religion causes atrocities is fundamentally stupid.
Any time I claimed atheism was bad was making a point to how another side of the argument can be made. Devil’s advocate, if you will.
Stfu, I’ve read through your other comments and that’s the only counter point you ever bring up, and I said nothing about it.
You’re trying to be subtle about it, but it’s still evident that you’re a run of the mill “Don’t turn away from god! You’ll go-to hell! Don’t sin! Think about ThE AfTErLifE! No sex before marriage!” Religious nut.
You even have a comment towards someone: (I’m not going back to copy/paste so paraphrasing) “You’re telling people to prioritize 70-90 years of their life instead of eternity in the afterlife” yea no shit, our 70-90 years are the only thing somewhat guaranteed vs a mythical afterlife
But as I’ve learned in my life, there’s no point in bringing up structured counter points with a religious nut as they’ll just constantly pull gotchas out their ass. So bye 👋
Should ban it altogether
I don’t agree with that. I think age verification is fine for things like online alcohol sales.
There’s a difference though. Very few people would care if the government knows they bought some whisky, and very few would care if that information leaks out. But people will care a lot if the government know what porn they’re consuming and WILL care if this information leaks out
No, I agree it shouldn’t be implemented for this. I was just using the ole’ lemmy switcheroo, because I think the comment I replied to was implying porn should be banned.
Oh he definitely was, take a look through is profile and you’ll see comments like this:
I was literally showing a person how ridiculous their argument for banning religion sounded in that comment by switching perspectives for them, but hey, who needs context 😜
It’s an odd one, I’ll tell anyone down the pub who asks (although everyone seems to change the topic when I bring it up) and wouldn’t object to the government knowing, but I’d object to the government demanding to know everyone’s porn habits.
Yea, that makes sense, where I’ve seen it implemented here in America typically your ID is checked at point of delivery/pickup which also avoids the whole having to upload your ID to some random third party thing
But when it comes to objectifying women, 18 doesn’t necessarily mean mature enough in the eyes of men.
And what about women objectifying men?
Is there ever a ‘correct age’ to objectify anybody? Porn isn’t always about objectifying women, even if that is how you see it.
Fair point. But about age, tbh, should ban it entirely
It’s a good job my porn doesn’t have women in it then!
Unironically defeated my argument 🫢
It’s you again, maybe we should ban you from Lemmy!
Here’s my comment from the last time I saw this guy on the other post:
Oh I see, you’re one of those religious nuts that tries to impose their beliefs on others and then gets angry when people try to tell people to err on the side of logic, science and facts instead of a fictional “god” and his book that’s completely unverifiable.
Shove it up your ass
Edit: oh wait sorry forgot I was on a UK community, shove it up your arse
Porn ruins lives, men’s impression of women and objectifies women, as well as pornhub helping facilitate the trafficking of children and being lenient on cp. But sure, it’s all about this “unverifiable” book, I guess
Organized religion has ruined far more lives than porn ever has, both directly and indirectly.
Millions upon millions of deaths and countless unnecessary suffering can be laid at the feet of religion, there’s a war going on because of religion right now. What was the last war that was started over porn? I don’t remember any crusades “in the name of porn”. Porn is all inclusive of everyone’s backgrounds, can’t say the same for religion.
And don’t go all “those are different sects/church’s, can’t blame their actions on my Church” blah blah blah, I could throw a dart at a dart board full of every religion, sect and church and pull up some deep dark atrocities about the one it lands on.
So what about Atheism then? You know, Maoist China, Soviet Russia and very arguably Nazi Germany
I was interested in your comment and found this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany
Identifying as Christian and actually being one are completely separate things. Hitler pretended to be a Christian in public yet hated it in private. Your own article even says this:
I don’t think whether they were really Christian or not makes much difference to the argument. Sure the top of the party may not have been devout church goers, but the population needed a religious edge to be pushed into war.
So I ask myself: if the nazi were outgoing atheists world war 2 may not have happened?
It had little to do with religion, though. It was more to do with eugenics and science. There is no way you could justify the holocaust using the Bible.
So you’re saying it’s impossible to be moral and atheist at the same time. That’s interesting I wonder how you justify the holy wars then?
Get out of here with your nonsense. If you’re not going to engage in actual discussion just don’t start.
I literally never said that. I was pointing out how athiest regimes, upon the dismissal of God, still carried out genocide and murder. I was pointing out how the argument saying religion causes atrocities is fundamentally stupid.
Any time I claimed atheism was bad was making a point to how another side of the argument can be made. Devil’s advocate, if you will.
WhAt AbOuT AtHeISM
Stfu, I’ve read through your other comments and that’s the only counter point you ever bring up, and I said nothing about it.
You’re trying to be subtle about it, but it’s still evident that you’re a run of the mill “Don’t turn away from god! You’ll go-to hell! Don’t sin! Think about ThE AfTErLifE! No sex before marriage!” Religious nut.
You even have a comment towards someone: (I’m not going back to copy/paste so paraphrasing) “You’re telling people to prioritize 70-90 years of their life instead of eternity in the afterlife” yea no shit, our 70-90 years are the only thing somewhat guaranteed vs a mythical afterlife
But as I’ve learned in my life, there’s no point in bringing up structured counter points with a religious nut as they’ll just constantly pull gotchas out their ass. So bye 👋
May The Lord have mercy upon you, my brother.