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      Bernie is pushing for 32/week.

      If he was president we might have gotten it, but Biden sure as shit isn’t even going to mention it.

      American workers are more productive than at any point in history, it’s just all the wealth goes into a very small number of pockets, and instead of having to pay taxes, they pay a small percent to politicians in both parties to ensure workers don’t get any

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      How do I argue that this is a bad thing to my boss.

      I will preface by saying that my boss is a great guy. I don’t have targets and I get freedom and feel empowered in that sense.

      But we often debate about the world and he seems to argue that on the whole society is doing a lot better than we did in the past. Living longer, more luxuries etc.

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        On the whole… how would you define that? The mean? The median? If it’s mean, he may have a point because the richest people don’t have to work for many thousands of years each. But the median person is likely under poverty level.

        And better… also what is the definition of that? More money? More free time? Less crime/risk of injury? Etc.

        And then there’s the case that it doesn’t matter if it’s “better” than it was however arbitrary time ago, it matters that it could be better for a massively greater percentage of people. But in the current state it is only insanely better for only a select few, and nearly the same for the vast majority of people.

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          Thank you for this. You’ve definitely given me some points to touch on.

          For what it’s worth, I agree we should do better.

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    Here’s the thing. We could have that right now, today, we’re there, they’re right. Computers and just useful software (fuck AI) alone have increased productivity so much that one guy with fancy Excel can do the work of what used to take 98 people (7 banks x 14 person abacus teams). And that’s just one regional bank. Before email, corporations had internal mailing departments, now there’s dirt cheap and super convenient email. There are untold numbers of shell scripts out there quietly replacing whole ass departments of people. Soft automation alone, no robots needed, has increased human productivity to an absolutely bonkers degree since these statements were written. Thanks to the Friedman doctrine and Reagan and Thatcher and their ilk, all the benefits of that productivity got turned into a benefits for the asset holding class, while the middle and lower classes got lectures on the morality of hard work.

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      Flawless .

      People talk about the age of abundance - we’ve been living it for decades. Money is created out thin air, automation and industrial have done the rest.

      Marx called it 100 years ago. Thomas Piketty nailed it down a few years ago : Surplus goes to assets owners - the more assets you own, the more surplus you accumulate and it’s effective are compound over the time. Until you have a handful of people people who own all the asset, which is where we are now.

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      People used to physically carry boxes of paper checks out to planes to be shipped between banks.

  • As a kid, my dad used to tell me stuff like that. He believed it too. He worked 2 jobs 6 days a week all his life to die in relative poverty.

    People make wealth issues generational. It’s not. It’s a narrative to divide and conquer.

    It’s the rich vs the poor. It’s always been.

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    By the year 2040, you’ll eat bugs on your way into your 16 hour job making 13 Bezos bucks an hour and you’ll love it because the serotonin patches and nightly dream implants (implant so that you dot wake up while your frontal cortex is being used to mine doge coin).

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      The best part is, for every 10 commercials you watch in your sleep, you get up to 1 dream back free at the end of the month!

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          Well, naturally they have to deduct for uninsurable dream content like trees and sunshine. That kind of dangerous content needs to be distilled before it reaches you by choosing a secure dream provider. We’re trying to protect children here.

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    Interesting predictions from the 60s.

    It turns out that in the early 70s, “we” decided to give everything to corporations and those already wealthy instead. Productivity did indeed continue to skyrocket, but wages have stagnated since then. For 50+ years we’ve been getting robbed.

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    This would have happened if Reagan hadn’t sunk that ship. Now realistically, if it hadn’t been him it would’ve been someone else. Politicians are cheap.

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    To be fair, these were good predictions. All of this is actually possible. It’s just capitalism being the problem it usually is…

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        Well know. Unless you are one of about ~20,000 people in the US that are in the 1% of wealth, you don’t get to choose anything.

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      The late 60’s is when George Welch became the head of the GE plastics division, in 71’ he also became the head of the GE metallurgy division. Throughout the 60 he developed and popularized “rank and yank”, basically firing 10% of your lowest performing employees on a regular basis.

      The idea of corporate having loyalty to their consumers and workers died at the hands of George Welch. The obsession with quarterly profits, paper profits, and maximizing short term gains are all basically the invention of this one little man.

      He was made a titan of industry for parting out one of the most iconic and profitable businesses in US history. Pretty much every CEO has walked in his image since, despite the fact that he ran He into the ground.

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        Pretty much its about the federal reserve, unpegging from gold just let them go hog wild. Inflation is the best tool they have because it is taxation that the poor and middle class dont tend to notice.

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      The sheer amount of jobs that post that range as the expected salary is insanely depressing and disgusting…

      I don’t think people truly understand just how much of our economy operates with those pay scales. I’m uneducated so I don’t have a specific industry to get tunnel vision with, I see a broad range of jobs and holy shit it is gross what is being “offered.”

      On a side note, my friend in computer science just mentioned a coworker who makes over 150k is quitting because he has too much down time at work. Just kill me already, I’ve had enough torture…

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        You may find David Grieber’s book Bullshit Jobs interesting. TL;DR: human beings have a natural drive and need to spend their lives doing useful work. If that need isn’t met, they get depressed. Getting to do something actually useful at work is considered a privilege, a job perk. Companies offer more pay as compensation for the lack of job perks at jobs that don’t do anything useful.