• RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    Didn’t Israel/Europeans start this war by occupying Palestine and driving out nearly a million Palestinians then caging 2 million of them in a sliver of land?

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      So that justified it?

      *edit: I’d like to point out at this moment that the top two replies to this question have equal votes of one saying “yes” and while the other says “no”.

      The middle east conflict will continue to go on until one side or the other has nothing left.

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        No violence from an oppressed people against their oppressor is unjustified.

        Perhaps you should examine why you think those 1200 people are causus belli for what’s left of Palestine being turned into a crater after the rest of it was stolen, many of the people living there being expelled, and the remainder treated as stupid savages for decades.

        • Sickos [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.net
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          Lol @ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de thinks you said “No. Violence from an oppressed people against their oppressor is unjustified”, not “all violence against the oppressor is justifiable”

          *edit: I’d like to point out at this moment that the top two replies to this question have equal votes of one saying “yes” and while the other says “no”.
          The middle east conflict will continue to go on until one side or the other has nothing left.

          We may need to word things more clearly for them in the future.

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            Nah, I’m gonna be less charitable; I lead my comment with “no”, so I’m going to say they’re too dumb to read more than a single, monosyllabic word lmao

            Reactionaries beyond parody

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        How come it was noble for the English to “never surrender” and fight back against the Nazis during the Blitz, but Palestinians are just supposed to accept getting ethnically cleansed from their homeland?

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        So that justified it?

        The zionist soldiers killed? Yes. An occupied people has the right to resist.

        The zionist cops killed? Yes. An occupied people has the right to resist.

        The zionist settlers killed? Yes. An occupied people has the right to resist.

        The hundreds of people killed by friendly fire from incompetent and poorly trained zionist troops? Not really the resistance’s fault, is it?

        The children? No. It is a tragedy that their reckless parents took them to live on stolen land in a war zone.

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        *edit: I’d like to point out at this moment that the top two replies to this question have equal votes of one saying “yes” and while the other says “no”

        Are you too stupid that you cannot read what Wakmrow and I wrote as both being pro Palestine lmao? You know you have to read past the first word, right?

      • Sickos [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.net
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        From MLK’s “The Other America”:

        …[I]t is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard.

        You should probably read the full text.

      • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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        Your edit is wrong as you can not read. The “Middle East conflict” is the Israeli colonization of Palestine, not your imagined cycle of violence

        Imagine saying “wow anc so violent, the South African conflict will go on until one side or the other has nothing left.” Absurd, right? Yet because you don’t view Palestinians as human beings who deserve the land and homes ripped from their hands within living memory, you comfort yourself with banalities

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        The middle east conflict will continue to go on until one side or the other has nothing left.

        Ethnonationalist twaddle. You are literally reiterating the points of fascists.

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        No violence from an oppressed people against their oppressor is unjustified

        Tripped so hard on that double negative your mouth landed directly on your foot.

      • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        Oh comrades, I have a close friend who takes this same ahistorical, atheoretical approach to understanding history and sociology. He thinks he’s that much smarter for his enlightened centrist position that any imposition by the state makes life that much worse. As if the thing that attracts him to poor, third world countries is his capacity to bribe officials and be left alone. He fucking hates China because they snubbed real estate investors and home ownership rates are propped up by lies. So it’s like you’d never make headway in the argument because China is dishonest, so figures don’t matter. Xijiang would meet a similar intellectual wall.

        The point is that it’s heartbreaking. I like the friend and we have a tight relationship. But then I see them talk like this person posts and they think they’re really onto something in understanding how the world should work instead of just slurping down gallons of US state propaganda. It’s like they have an atrophied capacity to see that a different state of affairs is not only possible, but being created as we speak. Like imagine having to see this poster do this drivel and then realize that they’re the person with whom you confide your most intimate thoughts and feelings.

        Honestly, it’s a bit generous to this poster because my friend even recognizes the Palestinian struggle as justified against a settler colonial state acting as an appendage of the US war machine. This person probably can’t conceptualize the idea that someone whose way of life is more similar to theirs might be the aggressor in a conflict.

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        isntrael idf-destroyer

        Death to the zionist entity, Palestine will be free

        Dunno how the fuck you can support a genocidal colonial regime whose horrific crimes span over a century