• Throwaway@lemm.ee
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        Plenty of fascists got their start reading 1984 and distrusting the news.

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          I mean… That seems like an argument for equipping people with better literacy skills given that any competent reading of 1984 would turn you away from fascism.

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            I don’t know man, with how misused the term is these days, not trusting the government is fascism. And a proper reading of it certainly gives you a distrust of the machine.

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              not trusting the government is fascism.

              That absolutely is not fascism. Stop listening to bullshit that’s designed to piss you off and drive a wedge between you and others.

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              how misused the term is these days

              The term isn’t becoming more misued; more people are accurately fitting the definition.

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        It’s complicated because some antifa are just a different bunch of mindless tribalists.

        It really depends if you ended up antifa for social reasons (mainly being part of something) or for having thinked a lot about what are your principles and politics and figured out that haters have to be stopped early, before they get to the stage were they’re hurting lots of people - the latter kind will likely also spot hate replacing reason in themselves and thus stop it before they hurt somebody who might very well be innocent.

        Sadly a fraction of self-proclaimed antifa are just another hater mob, just raging against different groups of people than the fascists, which is how you end up with things like cruxifiction-by-social-media against people for the sin of not treating slogans as Sacred Truth.

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          I like the antifa who go up and punch people saying horrible shit - I feel like getting punched is a fair reaction to calling for genocide. It’s visceral, it makes a point, and the guy on stage probably deserves to be hit.

          I don’t like the ones that try to police the Internet and exclude anyone with extreme views. Engaging people like that is the only way to make them less extreme. Isolating them only shows them their only companionship will be through their little cults

          I support strongly free speech, I just think sometimes getting punched is a fair response

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            Engaging people like that is the only way to make them less extreme.

            Tolerating people like that is the best way to let them chip away at and destroy a decent tolerant society.

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              Not tolerate - engage.

              You challenge them, maybe just tell them what they’re saying is wrong, ideally you gently prod them to acknowledge conflicts in their ideology.

              We have to offer them a path back to acceptance or they’ll always be on the other side, ever growing in number

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                They are only “ever growing in number” because we allow them a platform to spread their nonsense.

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            Yeah, I think the same.

            As I see it, when one decides that the Rules Of Society shouldn’t limit their own words and actions towards others, its only fair that the Rules Of Society also don’t protect them from the words and actions of others towards them - “live by the sword, die by the sword” and all that.

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      I think anything can be twisted into a pipeline to fascism if prominent people within a community are pushing it. Let’s take My Little Pony for example. You would think that would be the last place for fascism to foment, but there are certain communities online that have pushed it in that direction.

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        Not really. People use the word in a pretty measured way. Usually people with fascist views just say that because they’re offended at being described accurately and want to try to rationalize it away.