• ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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    3 months ago

    I consider myself a humanitarian, but the answer to the migration crisis is not simply offering everyone “freedom of movement”. Especially not when authoritarian states use “people on the move” as a weapon in their hybrid warfare.

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      3 months ago

      And nobody says so. The problems that lead to people dying while trying to reach Europe is multifactorial, and so the solutions need to be multifactorial.

      To reduce the number of refugees we need to fight climate change, revoked neocolonialistic trade deals that pull the livelihood from where the refugees come from, stop delivering arms into a lot of active war zones and to oppressive governments, etc.

      To ensure the safety of refugees already on the move and who will yet get to move, we need to establish safe routes, stop pushbacks, improve conditions in refugee camps in Europe, accelerate the asylum admission processes, agree on fair ways of distributions, improve on integration measures, etc.

      Nobody said it’s easy though.

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        3 months ago

        And what do we do with the Russians starting civil wars in Africa? Or Chinese neocolonialism?

        Yes, we should unfuck the asylum process and speed it up. Also the one for legal migration. The problem though is that if Europe plays the humanitarian and tries to fix Africa, Europe’s detractors will keep fucking it up even more.

        Another problem is this, “agree on fair ways of distributions”. What’s fair? Is it fair when the German chancellor stands up and encourages migration, while the standing agreements put all the burden on other countries? Is it fair for Hungary to say “we did not fuck Africa up, we can’t afford to have a part in fixing it either”?

        All I’m saying is that I agree that this is a multifaceted problem, but people like this ship’s crew make it worse for everyone.

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          3 months ago

          but people like this ship’s crew make it worse for everyone.

          How? Please tell me you don’t want to say not letting people die is making the situation worse.

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            3 months ago

            I’m not against saving people from drowning, I’m against doing this “rebel” shit and putting them to shore illegally. Get them out of the water, ask them which port of entry they would like to go, and take them there.

            Continuing this is just going to give idiots in the EU legitimacy, and it will end up with machineguns and barbed wire.

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            3 months ago

            I think people who rescue people from drowning and instead of taking them to a port of entry, facilitate illegal immigration, give ammunition to the far right in Europe, which is going to result in idiotic racist pricks getting elected, and it really getting worse.

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          3 months ago

          people like this ship’s crew make it worse for everyone.

          Letting people die at sea just means being cruel. Nothing else. It doesn’t magically send some kind of signal not to cross the sea to would-be migrants. Despite “conservatives” constructing their own alternate realities, this is, in fact, a well-researched fact.

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            3 months ago

            Never have I said “let people die at sea”. I’m saying pick them up, and take them to any legal port of entry they want to go to.

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      3 months ago

      This post is about state repression of rescue efforts that try to prevent people from drowning in the Mediterranean.

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        3 months ago

        And it’s a shitty thing that they do that, but having ships out there that pick people up and bring them to Italy is not the answer either, as those people are facing mortal danger in the first place because they hope to get picked up.

        Why are the rescue ships not dropping people off back in North Africa? Why is the crew claiming to fight for “the freedom of movement” and thus supporting illegal migration?

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          This is a false narrative pushed by right-wing media. By far the most boats make it across with zero help and people certainly do not hope to be picked up as that means they end up in often very shitty camps in countries they don’t want to stay in.

          These rescue efforts are real, although of course the often unscrupulous people smugglers are known to care little about the risks involved.

          Dropping them back off in Libya is not an option, as that is a highly unsafe country currently having a civil war and local criminal gangs are well known to torture and enslave migrants there.

          Edit: and it is also false to say these are illegal immigrants. Even assuming some of them would not be accepted as asylum seekers according to existing laws, you can’t just assume so and many of them are genuine legal asylum seekers.