I am not a native English and I remember having a really hard time understanding what “loitering” actually means. I thought “it cannot mean just standing around. it is a crime after all. how can ‘just to exist’ be crime?”
Now that I am older I see that it is just an excuse to discriminate.
Studies show that’s the cheapest solution. The problem is that the people holding the reins of power want to torture us, the proletariat. Governance hasn’t been about what works since Reagan.
Oh gosh no. They destroy all of their property and put them in jail for 30 days. Then the next time when they try to protect their property they get sent to prison for at least a year for resisting arrest.
And that’s if they don’t get shot by someone who’s not homeless, as at least one state has a law that self defence is a legal defence to shooting a homeless person. As in their homelessness is a legal reason to be shot.
Everyone’s got their eyes on minorities but it’ll be the homeless that America herds into concentration camps first.
Funnily, it is demonstrably not cheaper. Study after study shows its not cheaper. But its not about what costs the state the least, its about making sure wealth protects you from suffering. If wealth protects you from suffering, it justifies being wealthy so that you can avoid suffering. The result is that the wealthy torture the poor for the sake of torturing the poor. Its supremely fucked up and saying they do it to be cheap lessens exactly how fucked up it is.
Like. I want to be clear. I’m not replying with all this to be contrarian to your stance. I’m saying it because more people need to see it and be aware of it. Most of the world lives in a society that’s been built through torture. We’ve learned that torture isn’t required for economies to work and for workers to produce what everyone needs to thrive, but the absolute wealthiest people need to maintain the torture otherwise they can’t justify their existence stemming from this torture. It would almost be better if they justified it through sport. But its not even that. They have to keep torturing because if the torture they perform now isn’t justified, it means the torture of the past wasn’t justified
Funnily, it is demonstrably not cheaper. Study after study shows its not cheaper. But its not about what costs the state the least, its about making sure wealth protects you from suffering.
Same with healthcare. We pay, what, 4x more for our healthcare system than the next highest country that has universal healthcare? It doesn’t matter. Our system continues to funnel the money upward and punish the poor as well as further entrench them in poverty. America is lovely.
20ish years ago I got roused and told to move along by a cop for sleeping on a bench at a rest area off I95 in the middle of the day. I’d been up all night and stopped because I didn’t feel safe driving anymore. That didn’t matter to him/the law so I got back on the road.
I had something similar happen in Louisville. I pulled off the road because I was legitimately dangerous to myself and others. Cop told me I had to move on
For an example of how it should go: I was a young buck in the earlier 2000’s driving after work going across several states. Got way to tired and pulled over. Few hours later I was woken up by a state trooper questioning me (probably the most disoriented I’ve ever felt waking up without a sedative in my system). Explained my situation and he gave me a business location a mile up the road where it would be safer for me to park and sleep because the police monitored the building at night and he would let them know I was there. For reference, I was not a minority and had a decent car at the time.
I was waiting for a bus and was practicing juggling to pass the time. I was told I couldn’t do that by a security guard who thought I was busking. So I put up a sign that said “I’m not busking” and he was quite huffy and stood around giving me stink eye.
And you know what’s the safest thing to do in that situation? A small dose of meth as it’ll keep you awake and focused on the road. (Coffee doesn’t really work because it has a very big comedown that builds up very fast)
Not necessarily, but thanks to SCOTUS, cities can make it illegal all they want now.
But also, there’s this:
§ 559.45 Behavior in Parks
Sleeping or protracted lounging on the seats or benches, or loud, boisterous, threatening or abusive, insulting or indecent language, or disorderly conduct or behavior, or any act tending to a breach of the public peace is strictly prohibited. Source
That’s when you call constantly for that law being broken. Report literally every instance. At some point, the law will be removed because it’s a surd.
No, they’ll just stop responding. Or arrest you for wasting policeresources.
The police are allowed discretion. They can decide whether they want to enforce laws or not. This is why they for instance can let you off with a warning instead of writing you a ticket for speeding. Or allow a gunman to murder 19 children in an elementary school while they stand outside.
The police serve and protect capital. Nothing and no one else. Sometimes they’ll act in accordance with the needs of the lower classes, but only when doing so keeps the lower classes from toppling the whole system. And sometimes they don’t even do that, preferring to quash an uprising to avoiding one
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So it is illegal to sleep on a bench?
Yes. Vagrancy and loitering laws criminalize the homeless people in our community
I am not a native English and I remember having a really hard time understanding what “loitering” actually means. I thought “it cannot mean just standing around. it is a crime after all. how can ‘just to exist’ be crime?”
Now that I am older I see that it is just an excuse to discriminate.
It’s essentially illegal to be homeless in the US
So they give people homes to stop them being homeless?
Studies show that’s the cheapest solution. The problem is that the people holding the reins of power want to torture us, the proletariat. Governance hasn’t been about what works since Reagan.
Oh gosh no. They destroy all of their property and put them in jail for 30 days. Then the next time when they try to protect their property they get sent to prison for at least a year for resisting arrest.
And that’s if they don’t get shot by someone who’s not homeless, as at least one state has a law that self defence is a legal defence to shooting a homeless person. As in their homelessness is a legal reason to be shot.
Everyone’s got their eyes on minorities but it’ll be the homeless that America herds into concentration camps first.
I mean, they’re already being forced into
slaveryprison labor.Something something if currently in the commissioning of a crime lethal force something something? /s
Don’t matter the crime is made up and victimless
Especially if it’s made up and victimless.
Cheaper to arrest them and make them grow slave labor potatos in Idaho
Funnily, it is demonstrably not cheaper. Study after study shows its not cheaper. But its not about what costs the state the least, its about making sure wealth protects you from suffering. If wealth protects you from suffering, it justifies being wealthy so that you can avoid suffering. The result is that the wealthy torture the poor for the sake of torturing the poor. Its supremely fucked up and saying they do it to be cheap lessens exactly how fucked up it is.
Like. I want to be clear. I’m not replying with all this to be contrarian to your stance. I’m saying it because more people need to see it and be aware of it. Most of the world lives in a society that’s been built through torture. We’ve learned that torture isn’t required for economies to work and for workers to produce what everyone needs to thrive, but the absolute wealthiest people need to maintain the torture otherwise they can’t justify their existence stemming from this torture. It would almost be better if they justified it through sport. But its not even that. They have to keep torturing because if the torture they perform now isn’t justified, it means the torture of the past wasn’t justified
Same with healthcare. We pay, what, 4x more for our healthcare system than the next highest country that has universal healthcare? It doesn’t matter. Our system continues to funnel the money upward and punish the poor as well as further entrench them in poverty. America is lovely.
We should mutiny
Yep. It’s specifically to ensure the fear of homelessness keeps profitable wage workers as profitable as possible.
Well, it’s also about disciplining the labor force. Poverty must be unbearable so that people are kept desperate for work.
Happens more in the south, but yes.
LOL
I wouldn’t call prison a “home”, but the gov’t is happy to fill it with just about anyone that doesn’t have loads of money, especially non-whites.
Prison or a morgue table eventually it’s fucked up but yeah they’re willing to pay for those two.
Lol, laws no.
It really shouldn’t be, but in some places, yeah.
20ish years ago I got roused and told to move along by a cop for sleeping on a bench at a rest area off I95 in the middle of the day. I’d been up all night and stopped because I didn’t feel safe driving anymore. That didn’t matter to him/the law so I got back on the road.
I had something similar happen in Louisville. I pulled off the road because I was legitimately dangerous to myself and others. Cop told me I had to move on
For an example of how it should go: I was a young buck in the earlier 2000’s driving after work going across several states. Got way to tired and pulled over. Few hours later I was woken up by a state trooper questioning me (probably the most disoriented I’ve ever felt waking up without a sedative in my system). Explained my situation and he gave me a business location a mile up the road where it would be safer for me to park and sleep because the police monitored the building at night and he would let them know I was there. For reference, I was not a minority and had a decent car at the time.
I was waiting for a bus and was practicing juggling to pass the time. I was told I couldn’t do that by a security guard who thought I was busking. So I put up a sign that said “I’m not busking” and he was quite huffy and stood around giving me stink eye.
And you know what’s the safest thing to do in that situation? A small dose of meth as it’ll keep you awake and focused on the road. (Coffee doesn’t really work because it has a very big comedown that builds up very fast)
Not necessarily, but thanks to SCOTUS, cities can make it illegal all they want now.
But also, there’s this:
That’s when you call constantly for that law being broken. Report literally every instance. At some point, the law will be removed because it’s a surd.
No, they’ll just stop responding. Or arrest you for wasting policeresources.
The police are allowed discretion. They can decide whether they want to enforce laws or not. This is why they for instance can let you off with a warning instead of writing you a ticket for speeding. Or allow a gunman to murder 19 children in an elementary school while they stand outside.
The police serve and protect capital. Nothing and no one else. Sometimes they’ll act in accordance with the needs of the lower classes, but only when doing so keeps the lower classes from toppling the whole system. And sometimes they don’t even do that, preferring to quash an uprising to avoiding one
We need people that protect humanity. They need to be armed and disciplined.
Then maybe we should get rid of the police since they’re so undisciplined. Find a new group of people who won’t be so fucking hostile
If the police want to give you trouble, yes.