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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/19046110
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said he isnât buying all that Democratic âjoyâ on display at this past weekâs Democratic National Convention in Chicago during a Sunday appearance with Jake Tapper on CNNâs State of the Union.
During their conversation, Tapper brought up the âdisciplinedâ and âwell-producedâ DNC this week that, as the journalist put it, âconveyed patriotism and unity.â Graham didnât see it that way.
âWell, I didnât see what you saw,â Graham told Tapper with a laugh. âIf youâre a Republican, you saw a hate fest. You saw a hate fest full of insults.â
âAmericans are not joyful when they go to the gas station and fill up their car,â he continued. âTheyâre not joyful when they make their mortgage payment. Theyâre not joyful when they go to the grocery store. People are hurting, and this whole joy love fest doesnât exist in the real world.â
To bolster his claim, Graham pointed to the gas prices, the state of the border, and inflation during Donald Trumpâs presidency when âthe world was not on fire.â
Heâs either lying or what he said gives us a look into his shitty perspective of the world. Either way such a miserable and pathetic existence.
I mean, heâs not wrong. (And I say that as someone who despises him.)
Most people donât find skyrocketing rent, gas, electricity, and grocery costs to be particularly joyful. Democrats know this, which is why theyâre making the election more about memes than the record of Joe Biden as president.
Call me when Kamala finds the fortitude to put an actual platform on her website.
You mean like this?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-dnc-economic-plan-price-gouging-ban-inflation/
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The fuck are both of you on about
Itâs like two kids with whiffleball bats swinging for the pinata and just hitting each other
Nah. THAT would be fun to watch. This isnât.
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Reported for hate speech.
Also, this is an open forum, you have no claim of allowable membership on a public thread.
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I also wouldnât consider telling someone when they are allowed to speak a very progressive behavior, especially if you think Iâm from a marginalized group
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U big mad
Edit hah you also called the mods mom.
My comment is a critique of centrism.
Kamala is a centrist. Biden is a centrist. But, that monikerâs only a thing because Democratic voters donât want to have to call themselves conservatives.
I want roe v Wade and then some. Itâs for topics like that that I vote democrat, as itâs the currently available, most progressive option (centrist as it is). Gimme an option like Bernie, AoC or full power walz and Iâd vote for that. More progressive the better, but itâs got to be viable. Right now that means wearing the democratic hat.
If things like roe are centrist, call me whatever you want.
If Roeâs your issue, Iâd be even less inclined to vote Democrat.
All they did was promise to do something about it, raise money, and then did absolutely nothing. (And if youâre curious, the cost of your bodily autonomy was $80,000,000.) Meanwhile Idaho has gotten away with criminalizing it and every other conservative state will follow.
And considering they had Congress and the presidency, their inaction is indefensible.
Separately replying to unmarked edit: they did not have a supermajority, do not control state politics, and the judges bringing these things about are on lifetime appointments, seated during trump
The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and the ACA were both passed without a supermajority.
You donât need a supermajority to pass legislation.
Further, we should expect federal legislators to do things that are difficult. Iâve had it with broken promises and false excuses.
You practically do to remove federal judges, which, to the discussed topic, is necessary. Even more so to remove supreme court justices
You know what?
Youâre right.
Iâve changed my mind. Making change is simply too hard. I should expect less.
Iâm not single issue because Iâm not a silly goose, that was just an example.
All I know is Republicans would pour concrete on the currently shallow grave of roe.
Democrats arenât getting an A+ from me but as I said their the closest in the direction the country needs to go.
If you review WHY conservative states have been able to do that youâd understand what happened.
Itâs because judges were put in place during republican majorities, and they obviously rule in favor of those republican policies.
More republicans mean more republican judges means more concrete on republican ideals.
Democrats have failed on a lot, but that failure represents effort. Imperfect, flawed effort, but the alternative is whole hearted enjoyment in destroying the things Iâm interested in. Like roe for example.
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Reminder there are only 2 viable options.
One tries to bring forward bluer, lefter policy (relatively, not absolutely) and one seeks to being forward a Christian fascist ethnostate.
And youâre telling me NOT to vote for the imperfect team blue?
I disagree. It denotes broken promises and zero effort, which is why I feel compelled to remind everyone of how crummy a president Joe Biden was, and particularly for women. Kamala doesnât even have a platform on her website. All she wants to do is repeat memes (âJoyâ and âWeirdâ), which doesnât help anyone.
Theyâve made hundreds of billions we donât actually have appear out of thin air overnight for other countriesâ wars, but if you want a living wage or bodily autonomy it means absolutely nothing to them beyond their ability to fundraise off of promising to act.
I appreciate that Iâm not the only one who uses this term, though. :)
I acknowledge what broken promises look like. I contend most of them are just failures⌠In battle. Thereâs no indication the promises were made in bad faith, but heads up, politics is an uncontrolled system. In many cases good intentions lead to loss. All the more reason to clear the path.
I donât excuse it, I understand it.
Iâd argue forty years of regression in both social and economic liberty across multiple Democratic supermajorities is evidence to the contrary.
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Iâm looking for your link to Trumpâs plan for those issues. Whatâs his solution? Banning immigrants? A costly wall? Tax breaks for the rich again? Let another million die from a pandemic? Argue about crowd sizes? Maybe blowing up a hurricane?
Iâm not a Trump supporter, but unlike Harris, he actually has a platform on his website.
I suppose thatâs where you should start.
Ah, the new home of project2025!
Seriously, though, I assume this is what youâre referring to where heâs going to solve those problems:
I see no plan, aside from some very vague promises and an attack on a guy who isnât even running.
Iâm not sure why youâre arguing with me about it. I donât like Trump either, but feel free to argue if it makes you feel better about supporting another conservative.
Quick reminder of this conversation: You suggested I check his website for his platform, so I did, and found that thereâs only âI did thisâ and some vague promises that do not specify any sort of actual plan. You seem to think thatâs arguing, but Iâm trying to explain that thereâs actually no useful information there.
Basically, itâs no better than Kamalaâs and arguably even worse because heâs making promises we all know heâs not going to keep (Kamala makes no promises that I saw). And he still thinks heâs running against Biden.
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Thereâs literally a page that says âPlatformâ on it. I donât know how to help you find whatâs right there in the navigation.
I only know because I was quite surprised to see that someone running for president didnât even have the wherewithal to make their positions public, but the literal fascist did.
Iâd love to have an honest candidate for once, but it apparently wonât be happening in 2024. And I need more than good memes to make me want to vote for someone with Harrisâ record.
You seem to be intentionally misunderstanding which side actually has a plan or policy meant to help anyone other than the rich. Trump doesnât know or care what the policy plans behind 2025 are, but as long as he gets his but in the seat that can keep himself out of jail and make people keep paying attention heâll sign whatever the actual handlers come up with
Iâm not misunderstanding anything. I can look at the last 40 years of federal legislating and see who benefits, regardless of the promises made.
What I donât understand is how you can sit through yourself being impoverished by surging rent, 1.5x to 2.5x grocery costs, spikes in gas prices and electricity, and wages that have decreased with inflation, and then tell me I should be joyful about a Harris presidency. Biden has been such a monumental failure that he and Harris both are too scared to post policy proposals on their websites.
They just want us focused on their memes about âjoyâ and Republicans being âweirdâ.
Thatâs how things work in the US. The candidates make speeches and the wealthy benefit. The rest of us have to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and work 2-3 jobs.
And I know the same happens if Trump is elected. Itâs just particularly sad that the literal fascist isnât too scared to post his proposals and the supposed liberals are. (But if elected theyâll rule as conservatives.)