Exclusive: Ex-Labour leader gives speech at event where organisers say they aim to start party named Collective
    • geophysicist
      163·
      3 个月前

      All it means is that the left’s vote gets split and conservatives get back into power

    • ShareMySims@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      101·
      3 个月前

      I suppose it’s possible they won’t make a pig’s ear of it and that the two-ish party rigidity of our system could be broken

      You mean it’s supposedly possible that the media won’t start an even worse smear campaign in continued and unrelenting defence of said system… I wouldn’t hold your breath…

    • HumanPenguin@feddit.ukEnglish
      3·
      3 个月前

      I suppose it’s possible they won’t make a pig’s ear of it and that the two-ish party rigidity of our system could be broken

      It will only be broken when voters work together to ensure it.

      The left as a whole are too willing to divide the vote. So fptp harms us more than the right, as empathy and emotion is a lower effect on their voting intentions. (I am in no way saying PR would end the right, just increase the power of the left to match actual vote share. )

      So the only possible way w can change FPTP if for the left to agree voting reform is the primary importance. Everything else must take a back seat to this. And even then it would take a few parliaments before the effect was powerful enough.

  • AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space
    18·
    3 个月前

    If Britain had proportional representation, they’d have a chance of being the leftmost party in left-of-centre coalitions alongside Labour and the Green Party (sort of like Die Linke in Germany or Vänsterpartiet in Sweden), or any least harrying a Labour-LibDem-Green-SNP-Plaid coalition from the left. Though under FPTP, they have a snowball’s chance in Hell, and are likely to serve as motivation for Labour to rule out electoral reform.

  • Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world
    91·
    3 个月前

    Ignorant American here, is that not what the Green Party is supposed to be? Is there a reason why Corbyn and the left wing labor/independent MP’s shouldn’t just join the Greens?

    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
      8·
      3 个月前

      Ignorant Canadian but I know that around here the Greens aren’t necessarily seen as the left wing party, in part because their program isn’t broad enough

    • frazorth@feddit.uk
      91·
      3 个月前

      What’s being green got to do with being left wing?

      This is really the problem with left/right, you can be green and Tory or Labour. Green has little to do with supporting workers rights or supporting the church and monarchy.

      [Edit] To clarify, being against building and preferring green spaces is a green position and also a driver for NIMBYs.

      Tories get played as fools by their own party constantly, the little old dears in church voting Tory aren’t supporting them because they keep moving more fash.

    • frazorth@feddit.uk
      3·
      3 个月前

      As a thought experiment, would supporting a workers union be left wing, even if it was for coal miners?

    • HumanPenguin@feddit.ukEnglish
      21·
      3 个月前

      Not really. While the green party is left of labour. Its green credentials are pretty poor. Nimbyism has made them choose some rather odd positions.

      This is an issue as it is a one issue named party. So like labour making odd non worker beneficial policies harms labour among left wing. Those nimby votes harm green reputation among green.

      And while the 2 Green and left are not really related. They have a freaking huge crossover on a venn diagram. So both are rejected by a large % of the left.

  • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    3·
    3 个月前

    i’d love an actual labour but sadly until election reform it’s not going to mean anything. we we need is just a left wing pact between independents, labour back benchers, the snp though let’s face it they’re going further to the right than labour these days, pc, sinn fein, and the greens.

  • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
    28·
    3 个月前

    Isn’t this the guy that lost two elections and was sympathetic to terrorists