• OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
      22·
      2 months ago

      Ooh this comment is going to get you added to the pattern buffer.

      Also my reply too.

      Also, anyone who (a) reads these, or (b) does not read these. In fact,

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      (Bc if Miles is going to suffer, he’s at least not going to do it alone:-P)

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        2 months ago

        (Bc if Miles is going to suffer, he’s at least not going to do it alone:-P)

        Ee’char has entered the chat cell implanted memory pattern buffer.

  • aeronmelon@lemmy.world
    26·
    2 months ago

    This is how Spot magically appears in different areas of the ship. S/he can enter and exit O’Brian’s pattern buffer at will.

    Every time O’Brian sees it he just exhales and says, “Dammit all to hell - In or out, you!”

    It’s unconfirmed if there are multiple instances of Spot on the ship at any given moment.

  • EnderMB@lemmy.world
    9·
    2 months ago

    I had this argument a little while ago, and someone mentioned that this was answered somewhere in ST lore, but will ask here.

    When you are teleported to another place, are you killed and essentially “remade” in the place you’re teleporting to, or is there a confirmation that the entity teleported from A to B is the same person.

    (Sorry to be all deep on a cat pic, but this convo came to mind and I can’t ignore it now)

      • T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        In fairness, the clone being made is more from people abusing the “part of you is missing, so we’ll try and patch that up before putting you back together” function, and happened twice with extremely specific circumstances. You can’t just factory-print people with it.

          • T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 months ago

            She wasn’t reconstituted, the hair was used as a reference to tweak her pattern. They didn’t just print out a spare Pulaski, leaving the old one on the station.

    • marcos@lemmy.world
      7·
      2 months ago

      I remember that being discussed endlessly in Enterprise. But the solution was “fuck that, the ship is exploding, beam me up”, not any answer to your question.

    • T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      2 months ago

      The Second One. The supernatural parts remain the same (the Vulcans make a big deal out of that, and would have a fit if people were being killed), the exact same matter is moved, and people remain conscious during the process.

      In Star Trek, cloning is a much more complex affair, needing to grow the clone and all. If the transporter just copied people, destroying the original, they could just use that instead.

        • T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          Riker was split during the process, since the person doing the teleporter thing did an ill-advised/unprecedented thing and basically tried to transport them twice simultaneously, using two transport beams, and reintegrate the patterns later, so that the interference didn’t cause them to lose too much of him, and they had enough to use the pattern repair mechanisms to patch any gaps (more than 50% lost is generally considered unrecoverable).

          Part of the interference resulted in one of the transport beams being echoed down to the planet surface, and the transporter presumably did its best to fill in the gaps so that they didn’t just get half a Riker, and they ended up with two whole Rikers instead.

          If it was a simple clone -> store -> kill/replicate, Scotty wouldn’t have needed some whole convoluted song and dance to keep someone in the buffer for decades, and Franklin’d not have died.

          • ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 months ago

            It does beg the question of whether you could intentionally do it. Scotty was very limited by the technology available to him, but the later versions of the Enterprise might have been able. It’s interesting to think about. All of that said, I think you support your position very well and I appreciate the thoughtful response!

            • T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              2 months ago

              Hm, in theory, possibly, but not by doing Scotty’s method, since that was basically constantly redoing the transport over, and over internally, without actually materialising the pattern. DS9 has transport patterns moved into regular computer storage, but the requirements were considerable. 5 people required the combined computer storage capacity of the entire station.

              If you can do that, it doesn’t seem impossible to copy the pattern itself using the computer, feed the copy right into the transporter, then materialise the copied pattern. As far as the transporter is concerned, you’re just transporting the same thing a whole bunch, loading the patterns into the buffer from a different device.

              You would need more than just a transporter to achieve that, though.

    • mkwt@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 months ago

      According to the non canon Star Trek Technical Manual, the transporter physically disassembles your particles, moves them to the destination location, and reassembles them with quark level accuracy. So-called “Heisenberg compensators” are a key technology to allow this to occur.

      The on screen canon is at least somewhat consistent with this, but maybe not entirely.

    • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk
      1·
      2 months ago

      If the person who appeared at the other end was the same person then Thomas Riker wouldn’t have been able to exist.

      The transporter is a person shredder.

      Every time you are fed into it a version of you dies and another one is born

  • 👍Maximum Derek👍English
    8·
    2 months ago

    Thanks to different transporter accidents that cat has been cloned, re-merged with it’s clone, separated from its clone again, and made into kitten. And Lt. Thomas Fluffpants eventually joined the Maquis because they let him hunt Cardassian lizardmice.

    • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      2 months ago

      Cardassian lizardmice

      r/ProperAnimalNames is leaking, but you’re not wrong.

    • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
      4·
      2 months ago

      Also, it is a little-known fact that Tuvix actually had a third, more… fluffy counterpart buried inside of their “pairing”:-).

      Which means that at least once Janeway has killed this cat. And parallel Janeways definitely more than once.

      Damn, this kitty gets around!:-P