• the_post_of_tom_joad [any, any]@hexbear.net
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      I actually came across a creepy campaign talking to my ol man yesterday. He was telling me he’s part of a postcard campaign to “get voters to the polls”

      I thought I’d anything it was voter intimidation. He was instructed to hand-write letters to a short list of people in NYC. There were 4 options of pre-made comments to leave, one of which was (iirc)

      'thank you for being a voter! who you vote for is private but whether you vote is public. Please vote this November 5 election"

      The other choices were a bit more innocuous but… Can you imagine being brown and getting handwritten no-return-address postcard from someone across the country who knows your name somehow?

      Fishy.

  • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    This won’t have the desired effect of making people vote. Instead more people will find a political reason for not voting and comfort in that reason.

    People will become absolutely fine with saying “neither of them represent my beliefs and I’m not ok with not voting based on that, deal with it”. This will be normalised. It will damage the civil religion considerably.

    This is a good thing. Do not stand in the way of their mistake.

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      People will become absolutely fine with saying “neither of them represent my beliefs and I’m not ok with not voting based on that, deal with it”

      I say that now and I get told that I’m trash, Trump is my fault, and so on and so on.

      Is this the antidote to the liberal “a 3rd party vote is a vote for Trump” math? The Anti-Vote equation?

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        You will say it after this and they will still call you trash.

        But many more people will also start saying it when challenged. And many more will be called trash. And many of them will just learn to be ok with that.

        This does not address the underlying reasons people are not voting, and therefore will not notably affect the issue. Instead it will create unintended consequences.

        Is this the antidote to the liberal “a 3rd party vote is a vote for Trump” math? The Anti-Vote equation?

        It might push some people to vote third party as the only option to not vote for one of the two parties they don’t like.

        Obviously the goal here is to make people vote for one of the two parties, but they have reasons for not doing that. If they’re absolutely forced to vote they still won’t pick the 2 parties.

      • REgon [they/them]@hexbear.net
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        Just tell those people some variation of this and when they then explain to you how it doesn’t work that way because you would have voted for the Dems if you didn’t vote 3rd party just tell you would never vote for the Dems. At this point their logic will become circular and the will short circuit and get mad

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      Same here. Whether I vote or not somebody is gonna win. Might as well judge it towards who I like, or is at least more palatable. Something something civic duty and all that.

      Local elections are way more important than the presidential one, though. If you’re not already, get involved in local politics, y’all.

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        Legitimising a system where the only two choices both support a genocide is bad actually. There is a third choice - not doing that.

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          Your county commissioner and school board director probably don’t have much to do with the genocide, but a lot of these elections are literally “schoolteacher” vs “guy who thinks girls shouldn’t be taught to read” in places and I think taking a stand in those cases is worth it.

          Local elections usually have a lot less people with party affiliations too.

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            You are giving a mandate to a genocide.

            You can rationalise this all you want to pretend you’re not a bad person but choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

            The correct position, and the position that every Palestinian I’ve actually spoken to has, is that you should reject the system and regime entirely. Not legitimise it by participating.

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              Letting our children be educated into being chuds and destroying local social services by not voting isn’t gonna lead to communism.

              Step 1: Don’t vote in local elections
              Step 2: Voting rates hit some arbitrary low number, deligitimizing democracy
              Step 3: ???
              Step 4: We achieve communism or force a ceasefire?

              I don’t know, I just don’t see it. It’s no more logical than the Nazis attacking a transformer to make race war happen. I’m not even saying vote for Kamala, but throwing my ballot initiative to legalize abortion just doesn’t make sense unless you’re an accelerationist.

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            i mean do check that though. Cause damn good chance a school board director in your zipcode suspended a student for being Palestinian or Arab in the vicinity of zionists. If you are voting locally it should be even more discerning than ever and probably be someone who can speak to directly

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    Lmao why would you advertise this? There’s already a number of people who don’t register to vote to get out of jury duty, and now you’re telling them that their voting record can go public.

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    Haha, yeah, great question. I’m so glad you asked. I get this question a lot. There’s actually a really good reason I didn’t bother voting. See, I’m a communist. That means that I want public ownership of the productive forces of society. An easier way to think about it is that the finite resources of this Earth are used in pursuit of making 13 or 14 people incomprehensibly rich and we all toil away to-

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    Who you vote for is private but whether you vote is public.

    Ah shit. There’s going to be a leak of everyone who voted and who they voted for, isn’t there?

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    Should we give people an incentive to vote by promising material improvements in their lives then fulfilling those promises?

    No! We will scold and shame!

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      The funny thing is they could easily do the old political trick and make false promises during election season. The Democrats did it all the time. Just lie that you’ll give people proper healthcare then shrug after the election. Just lie that you’ll prosecute the Wall Street plutocrats.

      But they don’t even want to pretend to be centre-left, they want to be Reagan democrats so fucking much they can’t even fucking pretend to be anything else.

      Vice President Kamala Harris has said in the current campaign that she supports raising the federal minimum wage. But her campaign hasn’t specified an exact figure.

      They could have made this the main message of their campaign, but it’s not even a bullshit promise at this point.