• mustardman
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          No, it’s literally socialism 101 so I wouldn’t expect a tankie to understand.

            • mustardman
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              This is the worst attempt at Sealioning that I have ever seen.

              Please tell me with full seriousness how redirecting capital from the capital class to the working class is anything other than socialism.

              • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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                how redirecting capital from the capital class to the working class is anything other than socialism.

                Theres this concept, where the Capitalists are expropriated from and reproletarianized back into the working class whom in turn seize full control of the means of production and abolish the capitalist governments in order to build governments of/by/for the working class. Thats called building Socialism, and to do anything other than working towards the goal of liquidating the enemies of the working class is to do anything other than fighting for socialism.

                Taking money from the rich and simply redistributing it a la your “profit sharing” does not solve the fundamental contradiction between the capitalist class and the working class as it does nothing to change the economic structure the two exist in opposition to each other. If nothing else. all you’re advocating for is prolonging the existence of Capitalism and fighting against the interests of your own class by advocating for maintaining the cruel system of Capitalism but trying to disguise the worst visages it wears with smiley face emojis

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                  Ok. But you have to agree it’s a lot closer to socialism than the status quo.

                  • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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                    No lol that’s just welfare - something that can be done regardless of what economic system is in place. Now if you want a discussion on a contrastive analysis of the class dynamics of welfare under a Socialist and Capitalist system, that’d be an interesting topic to research into.

                  • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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                    Dude you still don’t stop worker exploitation, don’t solve the contradiction of working and capitalist classes, don’t end imperialism or colonialism (social democracy outsources exploitation to the third world), and just set up a future capitalist takeover and descent into neoliberal hell.

                    You really haven’t read any theory. At all. Did you take one silly phrase and think you had something?! Your politics are immature and uninformed. Please read theory.

              • JamesConeZone [they/them]@hexbear.net
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                Because they don’t own the means of production. Socialism isn’t just redirecting capital, it is about eliminating it and the ruling class. Profit sharing is a bandaid on the grand canyon; workers are still exploited by the capital class. Socialism is a completely and total shift so large and threatening to the ruling class that it can only happen through revolution, it’s way bigger than sharing profits

                • mustardman
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                  1 year ago

                  But you have to agree it’s a lot closer to socialism than the status quo.

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                  That’s not whataboutism, that was the original argument.

                  You guys are the worst trolls in the fediverse.

          • Aliveelectricwire [it/its]@hexbear.net
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            A tankie is a hardline ML in your opinion yes? Did you know most “tankies” read theory to better understand the world and are definitely more knowledgeable than “socialists” (by which you mean libs who aren’t actually socialist like yourself)