.world is like the “reddit default subs” of lemmy. The #1 suggestion for new reddit users had always been to unsubscribe from the defaults in order to improve their experience, so being defederated from world isn’t much of a loss.

A part of me kind of wishes we were still federated with some of the radlib instances so we could have more active reading groups and movie nights.

Every once in a while, I would use a lemmy.ml alt to browse /c/linux, and lemmy.world is truly the dreg of the fediverse. Completely worthless that offer nothing of value. And this isn’t even getting to their reactionary politics.

Lemmy World defederated from Hexbear for political reasons. They didn’t like explicitly socialist content. They are incapable of accepting its existence. They did this in tandem with banning leftists that were vocal and active on their platform at the time.

This is extremely obvious because at the time this occurred the reasong they claimed for the defederation was because that Hexbear does hate speech. This is blatantly bullshit to anyone that spends even the slightest amount of time here, Hexbear is probably the LEAST tolerant of reactionary behaviour and views of every lemmy that exists.

That however does not agree with the turbo neoliberals who run lemmyworld, who can not tolerate any views to the left of their own.

How do you view .world

Dot world has trended rightwards ever since the defederation of Hexbear and banning of leftists on it. They will continue to trend rightwards. If you remove left wing voices from your space the result is a right wing space that increasingly alienates everyone as it becomes more and more reactionary, with more and more people leaving because they can not tolerate how obnoxious the right is, and leadership increasingly will pander to the right when left with the choice of doing so or dying as a site as those are the only users they will still have.

I personally wanted to remain federated with lemmyworld in order to continue to engage liberals, educate them, and pull those that I could leftwards. The truth is that lemmyworld defederated because they knew I and others would have been successful in doing that. The majority of Hexbear would probably oppose federation now.

I’m gonna be honest, I don’t browse any of the Lemmy instances defedded from Hexbear, so the only time I hear (and think) about them is when there’s some drama sufficiently inane that it’s spread over here (.world’s recent policy changes, cis Lemmy users throwing a fit over neopronouns on the other trans instance .blahaj.zone).

This has probably given me a bit of a skewed view of, like, the more bigoted and intellectually incurious side to the instances. There are no doubt very nice people over there, but no one ever gossips about how nice another person is, so all I hear about is the creeps.

That said, I do think they have a really strange view of Hexbear over there that’s partly the result of the all the arguments that broke out when Hexbear first moved over to the mainline Lemmy fork and began federating, but also partly because how Hexbear’s been hyped up as some sort of evil, communist gestalt over there.

Take this comment from one of the threads in your recent post for example:

Hexbear was never federated with .world, from what I’ve seen browsing through the commenters account they’ve never made an account on any instance other than .world. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen someone say something like this, whenever this inter-instance drama comes up again, you get comments like this from instances that never federated. It’s like people have fixated on an idealised version of us to the point at which they have some sort of collective false memories of a much more aggressive Hexbear than the one that really exists.

.world is just Reddit except with fewer users, that includes all the transphobia and racism that’s allowed to run rampant, especially now that their admins have that bullshit ”you have to allow some dissenting opinions in your comms” rule. A vegan community, for example, should be allowed to get rid of carnists posting ”protein tho, B12 tho, lions tho, what if you were on a desert island tho?” garbage.

There are certain toxic behaviors that aren’t unique to them but are very common on the internet, so much so that it’s easy to take them for granted. The behaviors I’m talking about, which often go hand in hand, are 1. Crybullying, and 2. Making shit up. What makes Hexbear good is that we do not tolerate either of those. What makes .world awful is that those behaviors are extremely common and widespread.

It’s very common for a user on .world to get banned from some community for doing something shitty and then lie about why they got banned and go make a post whining about it, and the culture there lets them get away with it, nobody asks them for the receipts or goes looking for them and they instead give them sympathy and the benefit of the doubt, which bad actors take advantage of to spread drama. I have an .ml alt where my profile reads, “If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they are lying,” and I have lost count of the number of times I have posted those words and been 100% correct.

That shit does not fly here. That’s not to say we don’t have drama sometimes, but if you try to pull that shit, we won’t just dismiss it until you can show us the evidence of what really happened, we will dig up the evidence ourselves and if it turns out you’re full of shit and just trying to stir the pot, we will mock and bully you for our own amusement before bringing down the banhammer, and we don’t give a fuck if that makes us look like the bad guys or if you run off to another community to whine about us.

That might sound harsh, and admittedly there are times when that gets misdirected, but there’s plenty of people who come here after hearing all kinds of terrible things about us and don’t encounter any of it and wonder what all the fuss is about - because they simply don’t do the whole crybully routine. This is a tradition going all the way back to the r/chapotraphouse days, when so many of us found our way to the community by way of hearing all the worst people on Reddit talking about how terrible it was.

That sort of thing is the biggest culture shock I experience when I’m on my alt, the way people will just casually lie, just constantly, to the point that you start to second-guess if they’re even conscious of it or if they’re just so used to running everything they say through a filter that makes them look better or more like a victim that they aren’t even conscious of what they’re doing - and the way people just let them do it, never fact-checking, giving them the benefit of the doubt, coming to their defense when they’re called out. It’s a very different environment that’s way more succeptable to bad actors playing the social media game.

Sometimes someone here posts a link to people on lemmy.world freaking out about the existence of hexbear and I go over there to laugh for a bit.

Then I stop thinking about them, come back here, and read dumb jokes about stinky beans.

I don’t think about them at all

I feel like the rest of the fediverse thinks about us a lot more than we think about them. We were here for years before most of the big Reddit-clone instances started up, and had already developed a significant site culture and norms. Many of us were ambivalent about federation in the first place, and .world and others defederating from us as a “preemptive last resort” was pretty much just funny. The hysterical propaganda about how insane and abusive we are is also funny; this is one of the friendliest and most supportive places on the internet as long as you’re not a fascist. We’re happy over here doing our thing away from all the Redditors.

Asking for evidence of Uyghur human right abuses from 2021 onwards will get you banned from most communities for “genocide denial”, saying that “Israel has a right to defend itself” is frowned upon and downvoted but accepted discourse. According to them, Putin is “le evil RuZZian war criminal” [fair enough, he’s oppressing women and minorities within Russia], whereas Biden is just a poor old guy who tried his best to stop a genocide in Palestine but the US position in the middle east is nuanced.

Basically they only move within the allowable western (mostly USian) Overton Window, and thus their flavour of “leftism” (most are self-declared leftists or liberals) leads them to parroting most US state department propaganda, especially when it comes to non-western countries because of racism

I’ve had mostly bad experiences with world users. Lots of blue MAGA liberal types, who think any criticism of democrats is a vote for trump (and now look what’s going on with the Gaza ceasefire…). I got banned over sharing the fact that democrat senator joe Lieberman single handedly tanked the public option of obamacare. And they really don’t like it when you support Luigi.

Honestly they’re “centrists” but leave racist and anti semitic (not anti Zionist, straight up anti semitic) content up while removing leftist content.

I’m over at the anarchist instance dbzer0 after my original account hosted on world got banned.

The way they talk you’d think Internet comments cause them physical suffering. They act like disagreement and emoji spam is tantamount to slapping someone in the face. They’re so genuinely bizarre about norms and manners.

I don’t really get it. Really thin skinned and weasely.

I don’t really think about other instances at all, but I do like that there’s some kind of inflow from outside Hexbear. I don’t want the community to be totally insular, and while obviously I don’t believe people should be allowed to come into this space and spread disinformation or just generally be jerks, I do believe it’s important to not give up on every random person who might be shown that burning down the planet for the benefit of a handful of the most wealthy and horrible people to be alive isn’t actually the best possible way for human society to function, and that there’s an alternative.

they suck and they’re cowards

lemmy.world is often filled with fascists, transphobes, and rejects from all the various left wing groups on the fediverse. world recently had a whole debate about allowing flat earth content on their site, which is very funny considering their website logo is a globe. most of the people complaining about hexbear in that thread were people with downright fascistic takes like supporting the genocide of palestine or complaining about pronouns.

we have our own little queer divebar vibe so if you hint at being xenophobic or homophobic you will be shown the door pretty quickly (in fact, our trans space has the highest degree of moderation of any front facing trans space on the internet with 40 moderators, we frequently ban transphobes within a couple of minutes). also fun fact: 2/3rds of users here are queer or questioning, and about half are trans or questioning.

are we superior? strictly, lol