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vegeta1 [he/him]@hexbear.net to chapotraphouse@hexbear.netEnglish · 5 months ago

On Russian TV this myterious unknowable and unclear gesture was censored. It is a complete mystery why since it was an just an awkward moment

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On Russian TV this myterious unknowable and unclear gesture was censored. It is a complete mystery why since it was an just an awkward moment

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vegeta1 [he/him]@hexbear.net to chapotraphouse@hexbear.netEnglish · 5 months ago
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    It’s also censored on RedNote, btw, here’s a completely unrelated image.

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      So the x is for them not voting right?

      why did Germany not vote yay…

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        X is Abstain yeah. All the countries that abstained did so to show the US that they’re good little vassals.

        The official reason is that apparently saying “Nazism is bad” will lend validity to Russia’s claim to be denazifying Ukraine. How that looks worse than Ukraine voting to allow Nazism is unclear.

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        Truly one of the world’s great mysteries /s

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        X is abstain, blank is no vote

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      Gotta love how basically all western countries abstained.

      • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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        international-community-1international-community-2

        • IceWallowCum [he/him]@hexbear.net
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          The color scheme looks so ominous

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        Ireland kitty-cri

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    Russia has done a lot of things wrong over recent years but one thing they are still consistently winning at is absolutely crushing Nazis wherever they can

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      A while back (like years now) there was a thread on here talking about Russia under Yeltsin, and how basically nazi gangs were running rampant brutalizing people after the fall of the USSR. Once Putin came in, for all his other faults, he had those sorts eradicated and any remnants suppressed.

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      I bet it’s been a massive boost to their morale in Ukraine to have the country infested with nazis. People won’t want to fight for bourgeois interests in horrifying wars. People will, however, sign up to kill nazis for free. That’s especially true in Eastern Europe where the nazis did most of their dirt outside of Germany. Veterans of the Great Patriotic War are still alive and they have family who won’t hesitate to follow in their footsteps.

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        I bet it’s been a massive boost to their morale in Ukraine to have the country infested with nazis.

        I’ve seen reactions of both Russian troops and civilians over this and the reactions I’ve seen are a mix of betrayal that people who are supposed to be their brothers despise them and genuine horror at the level of Nazism in Ukraine. I don’t think the Russians were unsure of how bad the Nazism was, I think instead they see Ukraine as a genuine threat even to the average civilian (in Kursk Ukrainian troops and foreign mercs were literally gunning down civilians) and it’s still as unfathomable an evil as it was in WW2. I genuinely believe by the time the war started the level of Nazism in Ukraine was no mystery to the average Russian.

    • awth13 [fae/faer, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Yeah, except the Russian Nazis, those are fine 🙄

      Sometimes people on this website do buy into Russian propaganda too much.

      • Saeculum [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        People go for critical support because it opposes the US’s interests and somehow forget that the USSR has been dead for over thirty years and the Russian Federation is a bourgeoisie oligarchy wearing its corpse as a mask.

        • CommCat [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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          any leftist who opposes a mutlipolar world and the weakening of US-NATO, most likely lives in the Imperial core or one of its vassal states. They have no problem with the US being the lone superpower with the ability to crush or starve any country that tries to implement a more equitable system that goes against the US “rules based order”. With the rise of China and Russia and the weakening of US-NATO, countries like Cuba, Venezuela, DPRK etc, will have breathing space to chart their own path, instead of being constantly under the jackboot of US Imperialism. Just look at the recent Cuban energy crisis, which countries sent aid? Russia, China and Mexico. Is Russia sending this aid due to past socialist relations? Nah, but instead of constant US led colour revolution attempts, that some Western “leftists” have no problem with and even support, stability in these countries is geopolitically better for Russia-China.

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            With the rise of China and Russia and the weakening of US-NATO, countries like Cuba, Venezuela, DPRK etc, will have breathing space to chart their own path, instead of being constantly under the jackboot of US Imperialism.

            I don’t disagree, but the path Russia seems to be charting is one of bourgeoisie oligarchy. Not something to admire.

            • TheGenderWitch [she/her, she/her]@hexbear.net
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              this war is definitely consolidating the power of United Russia and liberal oligarchy

      • vegeta1 [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
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        Hell doesn’t the Wagner group name have highly questionable origins from Utkin?

        • awth13 [fae/faer, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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          Yeah, the precursor to Wagner was called Slavonic Corps, which is of course the least Nazi name for a military organisation imaginable.

          • vegeta1 [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
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            Huh that and the killings of civilians they’ve been doing in mali central africa etc… Yeah they trying to live up to that name. Apparently Hitler’s pianist

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        russian fascism is definitely an issue where russia could improve, but not nearly the same as ukraine just being massively filled with armed nazi battallions

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          “Both are the same but one is maybe slightly better” doesn’t quite ring the same as “absolutely crushing Nazis wherever they can”, does it?

          Anyone, especially anyone into dialectical materialism, who lived in Russia or otherwise heavily interacted with the Russian world will tell you that the issues of xenophobia, race supremacy, nationalism, revanchism, monarchy and empire idealisation, etc. run deep in the Russian society and government (similarities to a certain other European country in the 1930s unintentional). Fascism is not a single wart on the body of Russia, it’s a disease that has spread throughout. Framing it as something that “Russia could improve” is not wrong but is misleading – like saying that Christian fanaticism is something that the US could improve when it is one of the defining features of the US as a state and country.

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            Yeah this is true. There is a reason the American right have a crush on them. There is a serious rot in there thats been festering since the fall of USSR.

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            very true, i agree. Its sad too that the communist parties are nothing more than controlled opposition who do more nationalist pandering than actual organizing. I hope for things to get better, but im running out of hope lol.

            god i miss lenin, stalin, and the bolsheviks

            • awth13 [fae/faer, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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              The saddest part for me is that even grassroots Russian communist spaces fall into *phobic rhetoric when it comes to immigrants or queer people. I also can’t imagine things getting better at this point.

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                all that can be done is to build those forces when possible and to aid fellow LGBTQ when possible.

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    On Ukrainian TV, they literally went “Musk made the Sig Heil Salute, means he’s our guy!”

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      Lmao

    • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      I don’t fuck with that account, anybody speak ukranian?

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        Yes, this is actually what they said. @gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net is right though, it’s taken out of context.

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          Is it a joke based on the portrayal by Russia?

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            So I didn’t know how to respond to your question other than saying, again, that the clip is taken out of context. It bothered me though because I also wanted to know.

            Well, it turns out the streams from the 1+1 TV channel are on YouTube, including the inauguration day stream. Of course, I didn’t want to watch 5 hours of it but the clip in the OP thankfully has a timestamp: 21:55. And, what a surprise, if you go to that timestamp in the YouTube video (around 3:10), there is no such discussion about Elon Musk taking place. Instead it’s an interview with a correspondent on site:

            Now, there are multiple channels under the 1+1 Media Group control but the decorations are the same in the OP clip and the YouTube stream and the top left corner channel title is 1+1 Marathon, which is a specific and unique TV channel. Coupled with the fact that no Ukrainian news outlets mention anyone saying anything like in the clip, I’d now say that not only the clip is out of context but also likely fake.

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              L M A O I’m glad my bullshit detector was correct in this instance

            • HexReplyBot [none/use name]@hexbear.netB
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              I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

              • yewtu.be
              • inv.nadeko.net
              • yt.artemislena.eu
              • piped.video
      • xiaohongshu [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        They already subtitled it for you lol

        Маск только что зиганул, ну, наш человек, получается

        lol

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          And I’m saying I didn’t trust the subtitler

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            This also seems like something where context matters and it might be a bit

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            You can hear what he’s saying: Mask tol’ko shto ZIGANUL, nu, nash chilovek

            The “zig” in ziganul means “Sieg” aka the “zig” in zig-zag as in the Nazi salute.

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              Ok let me rephrase. I don’t trust that a ukranian newscaster went on tv and said “we are nazis just like elon musk,” so is there any other context that would indicate this isn’t a sincere “I love hitler and bandera” statement?

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                Fair point, that I don’t know though. All we know is that 1+1 is a major Ukrainian TV channel owned by Igor Kolomyskyi, the pro-Maidan Ukrainian-Israeli oligarch.

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          deleted by creator

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    Does this mean Russia has to invade? To get rid of the racists?

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      Fingers crossed.

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      Killing nazis is good, so…

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      maybe not an invasion, but just send some Oreshnik missiles

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      inshallah

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      inshallah-script

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      My country yearns for freedom!

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      Putin, please commence denazification when ready

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      Ideally they can just get them with some Polonium tea.

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    Wow, Russia censors free speech? Not surprised!

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    Russian TV way ahead of APnews on this one.

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    Just a really cool little guy and besides he has autism

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    Ineffective censorship, if you ask me.

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