A Republican House member introduced a resolution to amend the U.S. Constitution to allow President Donald Trump — and any other future president — to be elected to serve a third term.
A Republican House member introduced a resolution to amend the U.S. Constitution to allow President Donald Trump — and any other future president — to be elected to serve a third term.
Are term limits conceptually good? Aren’t they just arbitrary?
It wasn’t until FDR that we made term limits part of the constitution. He served 4 terms that eventually led to the New Deal. The new deal was devastating for the capitalist class at the time, and they have been working tirelessly to undo the effects since. However, I, personally, believe the implementation of this into the constitution was to prevent another series of presidencies as impactful as FDR. This isn’t the first time the legislature attempted to repeal it, either. They tried and failed in 1956. Truman described the law as “Stupid” and one of the worst amendments of the Constitution, next to the Prohibition amendment. Regan also spoke out against it, as well as Bill Clinton. Like many others have pointed out, many western democracies do not have term limits. I think it’s also worth pointing out that many western democracies also do not directly elect their president, but instead their president is elected by the party (much like China does, and how the USSR did, and many other AES states.)
Among socialists, I think we all agree FDR was a capitalist through and through who understood the situation America was in. He used the New Deal to save capitalism from being overthrown by the very real threat of socialist revolution. The New Deal acted as a release valve.
It’s something the generation of New Deal Democrats understood (such as LBJ’s Great Society program) current day democrats don’t. Today’s democrats are so high on their own supply of bullshit Austrian economics they don’t realize the consequences of austerity.
Yeah, that’s good additional context. I think the Republicans at the time, wrapped up in growing anti-communist sentiment, viewed the New Deal as an approach to socialism (by their shallow or non-existent understanding of socialism) that could have only been achieved through FDRs extended presidency. In collaboration with democrats, they passed the 22nd amendment, mostly out of fear that somehow the American people really would “Vote in socialism”, or to at least, not appear to be a dictatorship in the same way they viewed the political process of the USSR. The next 50 years would see the rise of the Think Tank, specifically the Federalist Society, and these institutions abilities to carry forward policy agendas despite a limited term. I’m not sure what would really change if they added a 3rd possible term to the presidency, considering so much policy is now constructed by these think tanks.
IMO I think they aren’t any good in a vacuum but I do think it’s a good thing that the US specifically has them for the president. If they weren’t there, a determined ghoul administration would be much more effective at just running the gauntlet for decades (the eternal Obama). Currently the “deep state” fulfills that function and there’s a limit to how much they can do domestically, with the inherent limit that they have to act behind the scenes.
But even without term limits the president would have to spend just as much time focusing on campaigning, right? You would still have the same amount of elections. The president would still spend just as much time ruling the empire as now.
Yeah, I meant it in the sense that you wouldn’t get the rigamarole we’re seeing right now where one guy comes in, does a few things, the next guy comes in and undoes all of them. One president ruling for decades means they can get a coherent program going, which is bad for the rest of the world.
Okay, I think I understand. Trump wants to fuck with Biden’s legacy who wants to fuck with Trump’s legacy who wants to fuck with Obama’s legacy and so forth. Term limits are good in the US because fuck the US.
This is basically my take as well. Its one of those imperfect solutions to a clearly busted system. If the US was a healthy functioning democracy term limits would probably be bad but between gerrymandering, legalized bribery, and corporate media consolidation about the only reason we don’t have presidents for life at this point is the term limit.
There’s arguments to be made for and against. On one hand, no term limits means someone can focus on governing, rather than constantly running a campaign. Incumbents often have to do less work in this regard because they’re already established. On the other, it means it’s harder to remove incumbents. You see this a lot in local elections where people often run unopposed. They get elected anyway, regardless of their performance.
Some places will just make the terms longer (such as 10 years or more) so a candidate will want to leave office, yet still have time to accomplish what they want. One of the US’s problems is we’re on four year cycles for president and 2 year cycles for congress. This is especially deceptive because of the delay between laws passing and the effects of those laws being seen. The economy is one example. We don’t see the consequences of a president’s economic policies until nearly the end of their second term due to turnover, people moving, companies setting up 5 year plans, stock dividends, etc.
So term limits make a lot of sense in ineffectual systems of government that are more focused on the spectacle of campaigning and elections than the actual governing? I can definitely see how political apathy would lead to incumbents running unopposed but I’m not sure I understand how a lack of term limits automatically benefit the incumbent, other in the fact that they literally have to step down once they reach the limit.
In addition to what Sodium said, incumbents have resources from their office to use, plus they don’t have to deal with bureaucracies other candidates have to go through.
For example, an incumbent meets on a regular basis with the press as part of their position. When campaign season rolls around, they already know the media organizations used to spread their platform. A newer candidate doesn’t have access to those same channels. Then stuff like Bush raising “terrorism possibilities” during his 2004 campaign against John Kerry, something Kerry couldn’t do.
As for the bureaucratic portion, a newer candidate might have to do something like collect signatures in order to run. Their campaign has to spend time going door to door before they’re even on the ballot, just to get on the ballot. The incumbent, however, is automatically on the ballot so their campaign can focus on things like donors. You see this a lot in Congress with party leaders, such as Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell. In order to primary Pelosi, a person has to go through a lengthy process in her district to even attempt removing her, then actually running a campaign to remove her. Meanwhile, Pelosi gets to talk to people she’s met through her office, stacking up on donors, endorsements, favors, etc.
The PRC doesn’t have term limits neither do several western countries.
I don’t think any party has ever had term limits imposed on it’s leadership. I remember when the PRC removed their term limits on the (effectively ceremonial) position of president and the US media apparatus freaked out. The media apparatus in other western countries where term limits aren’t a thing had to invite specialist commentators to explain why a lack of term limits in China means dictatorship but it’s all fine in Europe.
Is not having term limits bad? Please consult this handy chart:
from https://redsails.org/why-marxism/