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- cross-posted to:
- gnome
- phoronix@lemmy.world
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I really wish Wayland was more fleshed out & stable before all of this happened. Color management isn’t even yet finalized & putting accurate colors on the screen is like the most important part.
I really wish Arcan were further along.
Let’s just hope XFCE can finish the transition before then. If not, I am not looking forward to having to shop for a new DE.
XFCE is still using GTK 3, why would they care what Gnome does with GTK 5? Nobody but Gnome is even using GTK 4.
Not necessarily - pavucontrol switched to GTK4, and there are a lot of other applications that I use that are on it as well. If XFCE stays on X11, I wouldn’t be able to run any application that updates to GTK5 (except through some hack like running Weston nested in X, which I used to do when I used Waydroid).
I just hope Wayland has its accessibility shit together before then. There are people that still need to use X11 for their accessibility needs.
GTK 4 released 9 years after GTK 3, so it’ll be quite some time before GTK 5. If Wayland doesn’t have better accessibility than X11 at that point it’d be time to give up on it as a project, and maybe desktop Linux as a whole.
GTK+4 was released? When??
I’ve been compiling GTK+3 3.2x, the latest stable version about ten years ago and always wonder will they ever advance the major version. Years of installing XFCE4 and stuff and I always saw them pulling GTK+3 as a dependency. Never seen GTK+ marked 4 though.
To be fair I haven’t visited their official website for a while though.
GTK 4 was released in 2020, they also dropped the plus from the name in 2019. GTK 4 is a big update and would be a pretty massive amount of work to switch to. I don’t know when, if ever, XFCE will switch to it.
Yup, considering they deprecated so many functions and removed them I’d imagine switching would be really hard.
Even while writing my new projects in gtk4 (tiny projects) I run into problems of many solutions no longer working because the functions are removed without any replacements.
last time I checked, blind users could not even install any mainstream distro anymore, because they all switched to wayland, and that broke screen readers in the installer.
Yeah. I’m sad to say that, about a year ago, I switched back to macOS because it handles accessibility waaaaay better. And I don’t even use screen readers. It sounds like their situation is even worse :/
I just need the ability to easily zoom in and out using Super+scroll up/down (without causing performance issues or visual jank) and trackpad gestures that aren’t extremely limited. Granted, both of these things may be more of a DE thing, but wherever the issue lies, I would like them fixed.
KDE let’s you do that first one, though it’s ctrl+super. It’s one of my favourite lesser known features.
linux developers only care about shit they themselves care about, powertripping and some stupid principles they made up, not about making a usable environment for everyone
It’s elitism as per usual, i daily drive Linux for 9 years already and always point this out, if we want the year of Linux truly come, then elitism must be stopped as majority of people won’t come to Linux if it’s inconvenient to them and majority of people not a techy guys, Linux guys want people to like Linux but don’t want Linux to BECOME likeable to majority and want it to persist as elite subculture, that’s the MAIN paradox of Linux community and all other problems like systemd vs other init, x11 vs Wayland, tiling wm vs full DE, distro wars, all stem from this same reason, Linux users wanna FEEL elite but want mass adoption and mass recognition of Linux while it’s not yet accessible to everyone or even becoming less accessible like in this case we’re discussing
X11 versus Wayland isn’t some kind of holy war; Wayland was specifically designed as a successor protocol to the largely cobbled-together X and is objectively superior to it in most ways outside of accessibility.
Fr, accessibility is def important and they’re not giving it enough attention
Also I’ve found some games that work fine in Wine under X11 and not in Wayland
The future is now old man. KDE next.
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I s2g im gonna become one of those psychos who runs the oldest Debian that still gets security updates behind a pfsense with whitelisting.
You already said Debian. The rest is redundant.
Stares in Debian Testing. (Though I use Bookworm on my laptop, probably soon to be Trixie. Nice thing about Trixie is I’ll no longer have to use the Backports kernel on my Thinkpad and can just stay on the LTS one.)
I was looking for some excitement in my life so I installed Arch on my primary device.
I’m disappointed. I’ve had zero issues.
Okay, one issue, but I had that with Debian too. (recovering from sleep mode)
Please forgive me, as a Debian user I’m prone to senior moments and will soon have my driving license legally revoked.
It’s okay. That’s how you know how stable we are.
