• janNatan@lemmy.ml
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    The developers who created Lemmy are leftists, and they run the lemmy.ml instance. The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was allegedly chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.

    I’m not an expert on the subject, but lemmy.ml users are known for being tankies. People don’t like that.

    However, some of you whipper snappers don’t know that those of us with really old accounts joined back when lemmy.ml was the most popular instance. I just like FOSS things.

    Edit: added “allegedly

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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      I’m on ML because it is the dev’s instance, that’s it. Also, I dislike how .world is run.

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        .ca is a bit more sane and not as authoritarian as .world or .ml. I don’t mind .world, but their admins are inconsistent, IMO

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            Neither am I. However, I have seen one or two people on ca that claim it’s an instance “for Canadians”, but that isn’t the majority view.

            Canadian news is mild compared to other instances and their admins rock. They just did some good hardware updates and the instance is fairly reliable. 10/10, would recommend. The author of my client (Connect) is also on that instance, and I contribute a bit to that community as well.

            I could see some downsides if the occasional post in French would piss you off.

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              As a Canadian on .ca, I’d say it was made for Canadians, but others are more than welcome. It’s kind of like a nice park. Sure, it’s ours, but you don’t need our permission to come hang out.

              And now I kind of want to try out Connect.

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              It’s “for Canadians” in that if you’re Canadian and joining Lemmy, lemmy.ca ought to be your default choice, but we welcome anyone that isn’t a shitbag

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        Yeah, it’s a shame that there are only two instances: .ml and .world

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            Yeah, i was being facetious. I was here. lol

            I originally joined World like everyone else but pretty quickly left for Mander just to spread the load.
            Almost two years ago now!

        • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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          I am pretty anti-tankie. I’m even a mod at onehundredninetysix. The censorship of some words is kind of funny though.

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          Or swearwords, or any word that is partially composed of a swearword. Or talk about people that are pro-China or pro-Russia engaging in any kind of bad behavior in other places that have no relation to ML.

          I’m sure the list continues, but I blocked them a while ago.

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      Yeah, and them being trigger-happy with the ban hammer is why Lemmy exists at all today. All Reddit alternatives back then were Nazi hotpots, because pretty much only folks who got banned from Reddit joined the alternatives (and back then, Reddit moderation primarily concerned itself with Nazis).

      They would show up on dev.lemmy.ml, too, and “just ask questions”, like if an immigrant did a certain crime, would you want them deported?
      These questions served no point other than to drive the conversation tone to the right.
      And yeah, I was glad that the admins were always vigilant about that and immediately banned anyone asking such ‘questions’, even if it may have thrown legitimately curious folks under the bus, because it allowed proper conversations to exist.

      Of course, I have survivorship bias. I don’t concern myself with China or Russia nearly enough to have specific opinions about them.
      But when someone is not being intentionally intolerant, I am of the opinion that talking to them is worth it and the only way to help center opinions which one might perceive as extreme.
      But well, I also don’t concern myself with my admins nearly enough to have specific opinions about their opinions either. I don’t have to agree with everything they think, just because I’m on their instance, so I don’t care nearly as much as some other folks here.

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        That doesn’t follow. Truth Social exists, is full of fascists, and is way bigger than Lemmy.

        If it weren’t for Reddit deciding to turn against their users in a very dramatic way, Lemmy would still just be a tiny leftist community rather than what it is now: a larger, but still small, mostly leftist, but slightly more centrist, mix of communities that fight all the time.

        I came over with the initial wave of Reddit refugees. Lemmy was quite bad back then, with a lot of crap I had to block. It’s better today but it still has a very long way to go.

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      Also a lot of people just join a random popular instance at the start before looking into political shit like this, and they don’t want to switch later on.

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      At this point I’m not sure if they are tankies, or whether they’ve just been called tankies by people who call all leftists tankies.

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      I cannot support an instance where criticism of countries like North Korea or Venezuela is sanctioned with 30 day bans, even defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine is tolerated. I love open source software and it breaks my heart, but I completely blocked .ml after multiple incidents I witnessed or was part of in the news and worldnews communities.

      Also I cannot really understand the argument of having an “old account”. All it means on Lemmy is having a year and a month in your profile. It is even a good idea to switch your account from time to time to stay more anonymous.

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        The problem is that y’all believe, that acknowledging many of the claims about those countries to be CIA hoaxes, is also somehow a declaration of approval of those countries policies.

        You may not like those countries, but you’re taking that to mean you have to personally adopt the position of defending the bullshit lies you’ve been told about them.

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      I am confused now. I was just called a “leftist Nazi” and “liberal right wing nazi”. Lulz.

      My point is that I think the terms “leftist” and “liberal” have been redefined again, just as a heads up.

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        It’s a weird situation. Billionaires successfully dissolved the left into factions of people who all in-fight over whether or not you’re allowed to say retard, or the n word (hey look I must be one of them). Identity politics. Really unimportant nonsense.

        They also successfully got the right to worship billionaires.

        Not to get too tin foil hat, but at this point I think it’s safe to say reddit was a psyop.

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            Wherever there is a small difference in ideology and people willing to die for it, the left will always be at each other’s throats

            I’ve been aware of this since i learned just how fractured religions get when they get enough followers.

            The human race is just not good with handling competing ideas and seemingly never has been.

            I think that’s why great unifying events/people captivate so many of our narratives

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        Those terms don’t have definitions. People use them twice on the same phrase where each occurrence has a different meaning.

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      The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.

      Do you have the developers actually claiming this, or only second hand information? I was under the impression that they chose .ml because they were handing those domains out for free.

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        I have not verified the validity of those claims. I’ll edit the post to reflect that.