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- communism@lemmy.ml
Crossposted from https://lemmy.world/post/40642280
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The thought of other people living a good life. I just… I can’t. It’s just too horrible.
accepting of all religions
I’m not if said religion involves “removal of rights to others” and “dismantling democracy”. And no, I don’t care if they’re “not real christians”.
“Ive no problem with the spiritual beliefs of all these fuckers while those beliefs dont impact the on happiness of others” - Tim Minchin (the pope song)
Yes, I raised my son to be a far left extremist. He’s nearly 30 and strong enough to cause havoc against a fascist regime.
I am not sorry.
All of mine are grown and doing good things too.
“Oh no, my child wants dignity for all! Better send them to Guantanashwitz”
Random parent having a child with a soul, circa 2030
Well…the people the right call leftist extremists are generally not leftists are have a tenuous leftist label.
Like…(modern) anarchists are generally apolitical or nihilists…and don’t come from the left at the rates they think they do. The Charlie Kirk shooter is a decent example of what somebody will say is this monolith of leftist extremism that exist in large numbers and is a cohesive group.
Short story long: those who use the label “leftist extremist” (without irony) are basically making a boogy man out of random crazies who they don’t have to ignore because they’re not clearly right wingers.
This isn’t the 70s…they don’t have The Weather Underground and The Black Panthers to scapegoat…so they just make shit up.
anarchists are nearly absolutely leftist. i dont know what youre on about.
Unless he is referring to anarcocapitalists.
anarcocapitalists
An odd form of anarchy that still requires the state to enforce property rights.
fair :) but they werent.
Capitalists that don’t believe in narcos?
Or “a narco capitalist”.
Is that just another name for libertarians?
Maybe. I don’t really know if it’s 100% the same but…
I agree…and It’s why I put modern in brackets…then defined my terms. Don’t stop reading after the thing you disagree with.
Actual anarchists are rare. The people we call anarchists aren’t anarchists….they’re a mishmash of hoodlums, nihilists, anti-fascists, Nazi agitators, etc.
i read the whole thing. the opening line of the second paragraph is just so declarative that it was hard to discern what you meant by any of this. I dont agree that modern anarchists are generally apolitical or nihilists, thats all.
Again…I agree with you.
But I defined my terms…and I’m also correct…because I’m the one who framed the comment. You can be confused…but you can’t disagree lol
I’ll further define them/clarify. I’m not talking about actual anarchists…which don’t exist for the purposes of what I’m saying. I’m talking about anarchists as defined by Donald Trump, for example. The people he’s talking about aren’t actual leftist anarchists…they the Neo Nazi agitators, or the hoodlums that pollute leftist protests etc. They’re the guys from Fight Club. Capiche?
if you werent talking about actual anarchists, then you could have been clear in saying as much. anyway, good day.
The very first thing I said was “the people who the right call anarchists”.
This was a very Reddit-like exchange. Nostalgia.
then you started a new paragraph, making a declarative statement, contradicting the position you meant to convey.
Are you talking about the definition of no rules and pure chaos associated with misfits and punks? Back in the 80s there was a whole genre of anarchist music that exemplified actual anarchistic political ideology. There was always a vein of actual anarchists around if looked around a bit.
I was there…I’ve always “caucused” with anarchists.
I’m not talking about actual anarchists…I’m talking about the people who the right label as anarchists…ie the people who don’t know what anarchy is and think it’s chaos and destruction and nihilism.
Ah, I find that most people I encounter can’t define socialism or communism. That’s a problem. We need a robust education system to encourage curiosity on subjects we aren’t familiar with.
The best way to recruit conservatives is to cut education.
Love how the ‘warning signs’ are basically: empathy, equality, and reading books. If that’s ‘extremism,’ we’re in trouble.
thatsthejoke
the horror!
There is no more satire.
None of these things is the reason why communism is extremist and horrible. But you probably knew that.
When have workers ever controlled production, with such control being horrible for workers?
I cannot know about “horrible”, but at least many control-seizing attempts ended up bickering about who actually gets to control things. Anarchists vs Communists in Catalania for instance.
I’m guessing you’re not defining large-scale attempts at Communism like early Communist China and Soviet Union as worker paradises. Those experiments clearly led to worker suffering though.
Devil is in the details, a lot of seemingly conflicting things can work badly or they can work well depending on how well things are run day-to-day. And then there’s the problem that even if you start with a good system, you also have to maintain that system every day to the future or things will slowly (or sometimes rapidly) start going to shit. Some worker-controlled workplaces are good places to work, I’m sure, and some privately owned enterprises are as well.
Regardless, communist society would be one in which production is controlled directly by workers.
Being a leftist is antithetical to being accepting of all religions.
This could also be ‘Is your child a true christian?’
The symbol has nothing to do with what’s on the list.
It’s a symbol of hate, suffering and oppression.
(crossposted from lemmy.ml, btw)
Here, fixed it. No sarcasm.
Thanks! I just had a problem with the sign. The idea of the post is fun and I see the humour in it.
I just think the sign is put there in bad faith, as .ml are known for revisionism.
Holding on to burned iconography doesn’t help any exploited working class. Visually very naff, though.
This is my take on it:
I think shifting away from the symbol is important, as there are many negatives associated with it.
Mainly all the negatives perceptions of the USSR and those rapidly overtake the positives that are being reinforced by the rest of the “meme”.
Disagree. Also pointing out it came from lemmy.ml - it’s getting tiring.
It’s also very appropriate for the meme given it speaks to the red scare propaganda peddled in the US.
I’m sorry you’re tired, but a lot of newer users aren’t aware.
I don’t think it’s appropriate anywhere, aside from historical contexts. Especially next to “positive” things that have little to no relation to it.
Sorry I didn’t see you’re an anti-communist. Your view makes perfect sense now. Thanks for the honesty!
Mainly, anti-USSR and USSR-adjacent.
You’re very welcome!
the symbol has nothing to do with anything on the list
Meanwhile USSR:
“Expresses concern for the poor” lowers inequality to the lowest levels in the region
“Expresses concern for the treatment of marginalized groups” women suffrage since 1917, massive literacy campaigns regardless of ethnicity or gender
“Expresses concern over the rise of fascism” defeats Nazism in Europe saving tens of millions of lives
“Takes an interest in history and philosophy” makes education free to the highest level for everyone, including maintenance wages to university students, and promotes education among adult workers with night programs and in-factory volunteers and after-work programs
“Wishes for a world where all are treated equally” collaborates with the decolonization of Africa, South America and Asia without engaging in colonialism
Oh wow, even a graph? Amazing. Lmao.
Thanks, you’re tagged.
Not sure what you mean by tagged, but you’re welcome for the graph.
How can you be concerned with fascism accept all genres and sexualities but accept Islam?
By understanding that the backwards views in most Islamic countries regarding sexuality and gender are caused by western meddling. Had Iran been allowed to thrive under Mosaddeq’s secular leftist government instead of being violently couped by the US + UK, things would look very different there in LGBTQ rights and women’s rights. The same can be said about Egypt under Nasser, about the People’s Liberation Front for Palestine, and is currently said by women from traditionally Islamic countries such as Alexandra Elbakyan from Kazakhstan (founder of SciHub).
Stop blaming on Islam what is caused by western meddling, invasion and coups.
Islam is as backwards as anything can be and it’s whole existence is basically imperialism / authoritarianism, or do you think the universal caliphate is going to be a democracy?
Stop blaming the west for everyone’s fault, other societies are responsible for themselves.
No Muslim-majority state ever colonized the West.
In historical fact, the relation has occurred only in one direction.
Characterizing Islam as imperialist sidesteps the actual argument being presented.
I guess you have never heard about the Umayyad Caliphate or the Ottoman Empire.
Historical fact: slavery is still alive in islamic countries.
Nice pivot.
Western corporations benefit from slave labor. Islam is not exceptional.
We are talking about history facts, you didn’t know or worse, you ignored two of the biggest colonizing and conquest forces in the history of mankind and now you blame the west for something Islam is the king at.
Here is another history fact: there is no Spanish Empire without the Umayyad or the Ottoman Empire.
The worst thing about this conversation it that you aren’t even Muslim because they are proud of the Umayyad (not so much the Ottomans since they aren’t arabs)
We are talking about the current geopolitical configuration.
The argument presented is that in many Muslim-majority regions and states, the current political configuration is fundamentally a reaction to the imperialism and colonialism of the West.
Your examples are too deep in the past to be strongly relevant as antecedents to the current configuration, and also, fail in their attempt to paint Islam as exceptional.
Username checks out. Facha. Spaniard being islamophobic, no surprises here, fucking cursed national myth of reconquista. You can just be open about being a racist Spanish nationalist.
Okay, have a nice day. inshallah
it’s means it is.
- Expresses concern over the treatment of marginalized groups
- Accepting of all sexualities, religions, genders, races, etc.
No I don’t want to be brigaded by tankies going “akshually…” with how much worse capitalism is followed by links and excerpts from Trotsky or whatever. Just accept my message that communism can also suck under a tyrannical government (like the one the US has), give me your downvote and move on.
contrarian red scare comments are rarely easy to follow
I’m a social democrat who’s aware of what happens when too much power gets concentrated on just a few people. Whether it’s the Soviet Union under Stalin or Trump’s regime they both suck. Miss me with that “red scare” crap.
im the one who said miss me with that red scare crap. i called dibs.
That should be a nazi swastika though.
what
Because according to the nazis that find leftism to be evil, we’re the nazis not them.
What? You should re-read what you said when you’re not high or drunk, unless of course you are just a moron.
“Expresses concern with fascism…” is literally a fascist thing to say. Since when commies are pro-fascist?
What? You should re-read what you said when you’re not high or drunk, unless of course you are just a moron.
Looks like you should take your own advice here because you either can’t understand anyone else in this thread, or are just repeating drunken nonsense.
And considering the vote manipulation you’re engaging in with multiple accounts, I’d have to assume you’re the former and a moron.
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“Expresses concern with fascism…” is literally a fascist thing to say. Since when commies are pro-fascist?
ah, yes, the meme is worded badly. I think the “with” there is supposed to be “about”
