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Wait until the ventilation system’s ins and outs get discovered.
my new favorite urinal!
Gallons of bleach followed by gallons of ammonia down them. That or a tire fire near the inlets.
A few loose shits first though.
Gorgeous!
New Zealanders when the usian rich destroy Aotearoa.
tear gas + liquid ass would be a potent combo
Just get a concrete truck and seal in the deal. Because some random person could walk by and be corrupted by their promises. Much harder to break through 2 meters of concrete than remove a chair.
"This place is not a place of honor… no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here… nothing valued is here.
What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us. This message is a warning about danger."
I am 100% convinced that the reason they’re so obsessed with AI is that they’re planning for societal collapse and trying to automate away all the skills and labor they’re incapable of doing (which ie essentially everything). Their dream is to go down into a luxury bunker, let an automated security system kill any plebes that try to break in, and have a super intelligence take care of them.
Their dream is to go down into a luxury bunker, let an automated security system kill any plebes that try to break in, and have a super intelligence take care of them.
I always said, if push comes to shove, I will make it my postapocalyptic endgoal of shitting into every single bunker’s air vents until they choke on the fumes.
Let them
eat cakebreath concrete.
The chair won’t work on that door. But no bunker is save from an angry mob with Oxygentorches and Jackhammers
No just a welder seal that shit shut. I bet if you run a bead down half the height of the door on the opening end it wouldn’t open…
“Hahaha, you’ll never get in”
smiles, flips down welding mask
Not to mention unguarded stocks of high explosives… or just pouring a fuckload of bleach down their ventilation systems.
Find a few large trucks or tractors and fuck up their emissions systems: i.e. “rolling coal”. Drive up to the air intakes and attach the exhausts to the air intakes.
Their CBRN filters will get destroyed in short order and then they’re screwed.
Or even easier, bury any exhaust/intakes with some shovels
Shovels? Just get some bulldozers and dump trucks. Why make it hard?
I can not wait for the wealthy to enter their tombs.
And they aren’t even giant stone monstrosities so we dont have to deal with much tourism afterwards either.
I wonder how many billionaires will just get couped by their security forces once society has collapsed to the point where they wouldn’t expect consequences. Their advantages right now come from society as well as the complexity of organizations and social networks. Transitioning to self-sustaining life in bunkers eliminates the power the billionaires hold over the security forces, like what happened with Roman and Ottoman emperors at various points as they grew more dependent on their security to the point the security ended up holding the keys. Especially if they go out of their way up hire security that will do anything they say.
This is an open problem for advocates of the Dark Enlightenment theory (Wikipedia) like Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin.
One of the most commonly discussed solutions is to surgically implant explosive devices into the bodies of your lead security force.
Exactly. In dystopian fiction (Robocop: Prime Directives for example) corporations absolutely use the threat of removing all benefits and pensions to force their underlings to be compliant, as there is absolutely no social safety net.
Edit: In the Roman Empire the praetorian guard was responsible behind a fuckload of assassinations. If a Roman emperor didn’t keep them happy they would remove him.
And for all the right wing shit about thr glory of the Roman Empire I need to mention thay around 60+% of Roman emperors died a violent death. It was an incredibly murderous society.
I think the way to avoid being couped would be to make sure your security forces lived really really well before the collapse, and have everyone live as equals in the bunker. At least that way they’d have some loyalty to you. Problem is that requires sharing and we all know how much billionaires love to do that.
That would avoid “I’m such an asshole, they’d rather do away with me than follow” scenarios but not “turns out I hired a power hungry asshole that just wants to be in charge” ones.
Yep. “We can protect this guy and all his money and fancy food… or … kill him and share it amongst ourselves…”
Bethesda (game developer of Fallout games) called it in Fallout 4. The Vaults as seen in the games (and the TV show) seem to have the purpose of keeping radiation out, in the case of nuclear war. That was the advertised purpose. In Fallout 4 (one of the DLCs), it is revealed that their actual purpose is to build them on other planets. Robots do the terraforming while humanity lives in the bunker, and the humans come out when it’s safe.
Elon Musk is trying to get people to Mars. That’s where the bunker will be. They’ll leave us Earth, after stripping its resources and leaving us with the climate change and all that good stuff.
It’s not bathesda idea, oryginal fallouts were meant as a testing chambers for Vault-Tec. Only some were meant literally for survival of the wealthiest.
and that was the idea from the original game (1997). Although I don’t think it was part of the GURPS Vault 13 (the game that became FO1, circa 1994-1995)
Interesting, I didn’t know FO spawned from GURPS
They did, originally they wanted that system but it was copyrighted and the holders didn’t want them to use it for fallout.
Fallout 1 came out in 1997. But yeah something did go wrong for them as their water purification chip went wrong. The vaults were pure evil.
that’s what I said, maybe you misread?
but minor note of clarification:
vault 13 was intended to be a control vault- no experiment except normal behavior until it opened.
however, we find out in fo1 there was a mistake and instead of getting 2 GECKS and a supply of water chips, it got 3 GECKS and 1 water chip, due to a shipping mix up. This was not intentional by vault tec tho
vault 15, the only other vault also in fo1 was an experimentation of having people of mixed races, backgrounds and social standings all given equal status inside the vault
the majority of experimentation in FO1 is unrelated to Vault Tec and more to do with The Master and his FEV experiments
That’s actually explained in Fallout 2, the water chip wasn’t intentional they were supposed to get crates of the damned things. Problem was they got a GECK while Vault 8 (Vault-city) got the water chips, it was a manifest fuckup that was never corrected due to nuclear war.
Though Vault-Tec were not actually very good at their job. The small number of vaults we see in the games that were intended to work as advertised (whether as a control group or something else) all had something go wrong.
The idea of colonizing another planet is silly sci-fi nonsense. Neither Elon Musk nor any other billionaire is anywhere near being able to do such a thing in their lifetime. Hell, even the fictional one who claims to be trying to do this in Fallout, Mr. House, is just a lying narcissist who uses that claimed goal to hype himself up as some kind of god among men (along with his empty promise to distribute his life-lengthening tech).
Yep even the harshest places you can imagine on Earth are still better than any planet we have the technology to get people to.
The top of mount everest is more conducive to human life than any part of mars
A lot of things we have now would have been considered “silly sci-fi nonsense” not that long ago. I like that you bring up the best Fallout game, New Vegas. I personally preferred 3, but I loved NV for its writing and for not having an ugly green filter over everything. I recognise it was the better game, but I had more fun with its predecessor. Anyone who played adventure games in the 1980s or even the 1990s could not have imagined Fallout: New Vegas. I’ve been there for most of video games’ history and… I mean, shit, look at some of the 8K Cyberpunk videos on YouTube. If they weren’t all focused on car mods, I’d love to send some to some Boomers and say “believe it or not, this is a video game.” I mean, they get rid of the HUD and everything, it almost looks real. The way the people look really gives it away.
Did Robert House even live that long? When we meet him in the game, he’s just a computer. I think the Robo-Brains we saw in the Fallout 4 DLC Far Harbor had a better (more Fallout-cynical view) of longevity, that hotel full of rich peoples’ brains in robots pretending they’re real people. Head north from the main town and you’ll be approached by one of them, it’s a real hard quest to miss. It’s not integral to the DLC’s story, but I don’t think it’s missable (maybe if you shoot the robot on sight before it can give you the quest — but why would you do that when you could have a fade-to-black sex scene with one of the robots? I am not kidding). Anyway, I was referring to Nuka-World in Fallout 4, where they expressly state that Vault-Tec wants to put Vaults on other planets. Of course Vault-Tec lied to basically everybody, so they are not to be trusted, but if the control vaults (e.g. Vault 101 from Fallout 3) can really protect people from the Wastes (and, minor spoiler, even be opened and let people in and out!), they can probably protect people from space as well (or, I mean, a planet with no atmosphere). Of course, the Garden of Eden Creation Kit (GECK) as presented in Fallout 3, that could potentially terraform a world, was dubious at best even in the games…
A lot of things we have now would have been considered “silly sci-fi nonsense” not that long ago.
Well sure, and I don’t doubt that colonization of other celestial bodies is possible (and even desirable) but it is far beyond our reach currently. It’s not like we’re in the 1700s speculating about how to make an airplane, we’re in the 1300s speculating about how to make an airplane. There’s a lot of work to be done before we can get there.
Did Robert House even live that long? When we meet him in the game, he’s just a computer.
He was like 250 years old in FNV and very much still alive (unfortunately). Though it’s kind of a twist when you learn that because it definitely wants you to suspect he’s just an AI at first.
No one is leaving to live on Mars during our lifetimes. And the first people there are guaranteed to be workers, not billionaires.
I was thinking robots to build/assemble the stuff, but I’m pretty sure it won’t be workers. I can see them offering pardons for condemned criminals (i.e. inmates… possibly also immigrants… maybe some Democrats) to go and do some of the work. But by the time we can get people to Mars, we’ll have advanced robotics enough that the humans won’t really be “working.”
The big hurdle now is how long it takes to get there and maintaining communication with Earth. I think our fastest shuttles/rockets can get to Mars in a couple years? So you’d need to send people, with enough supplies to make the trip, and enough materials to build sustainable habitats. So I really do think the first couple will be unmanned. They’ll send robots to assemble the stuff. Then they’ll test it remotely, and they’ll send people with plants and whatnot.
Anyway, it’s all a pipe dream right now in 2026. Keep in mind Fallout’s world isn’t ours. They were 52 years ahead of us (2077, IIRC) when they nuked each other. And they were using nuclear power to power all kinds of things, and had robot servants for home use and for military. I don’t know, and I don’t think we know, how far they got as far as space travel, but that was their plan. We are on a different (and not fictional) timeline, so we will have our own hurdles to get over before it could be real. But that’s what I think Elon Musk’s interest in Mars/space travel is all about.
Define “live”. I wouldn’t be surprised if we sent a handful of people at a time for one-way trips in the medium future.
there’s a chance the american empire doesn’t even last beyond the next decade, we ain’t sending nobody to mars.
In that case perhaps we’ll advance to a better economic system that explores space without the need for profit.
They can stay on that planet with a worse climate than whatever we will have after climate change.
I don’t think they’ll care if they can make machines make them comfortable.
I also don’t really believe the Mars thing. I’m just saying, science fiction has already laid the groundwork (and Fallout is just a video game, it’s hardly the first medium to suggest this).
A better solution would be under the sea. If they can solve the pressure issue, they can build whole colonies right here on Earth, seal them up, and just drop them in the ocean. Then send submersibles down there. Maybe they can even have staged depth modules where you would descend so far, wait for a week to normalise pressure, then descend to the next level. Each module would have living quarters, medical facilities, all that. The reason I suggest under the sea is, it would be colder (you’d need energy to warm it up) and that would be great for the kinds of AI work they want to do.
Then again, if they just want the cold, they can also remove depth from the equation and set up in the Arctic. Like the northern parts of Canada… or Greenland, which the American president and his cronies are trying to seize (or buy? Not sure on that). Screw it, let them have the northern third, move all of them there, and leave the rest of the world alone.
Screw it, let them have the northern third, move all of them there, and leave the rest of the world alone.
As a Nordic person, no thanks. Send the fuckers into space or the sea I don’t care but don’t push them here.
Sorry. The assumption I made was the space nobody uses. Like how most Canadians live within 100 miles of the US due to the climate.
What always strikes me about the billionaire shelter with staff is how do they figure they’re not going to get praetorian guarded like day two. There’s literally no failsafe imaginable that does not end with you dead and/or tortured
exploding collars ofc
so how do they get activated
LLMs
I don’t see how a large loving mommy would help but I’m in
When I was a kid I didn’t think the chair trick worked on doors until I realized that you need to place the chair in a way that jams the handle from being able to rotate. It works only on doors (I think) that rotate both sides when you turn on.
It didn’t change my life much to learn it other than give me some small satisfaction from knowing it wasn’t some Hollywood myth.
It absolutely works for handles that don’t turn on each side. It’s about the angle of the chair creating leverage. It works by redirecting the force of opening the door down the back of the chair and into the floor, creating a wedge. It also kinda relies on having a carpet or rubber mat to create friction otherwise the legs will slide if not braced as well.
The more you know!
It’ll work on regular handles too if the height is right 🤔
