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London’s murder rate has dropped to its lowest in more than a decade with police in the capital and the mayor saying it is now one of the safest cities in the western world.
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Sure but the Right feeeeels like it hasn’t and the vibes of the Right are always more important than reality, so take that leftoids.
I don’t live in the UK but I got pulled into the UK camper van / canal boat / bushcraft segment of youtube. The recommended videos are often something like “London has FALLEN” on a video featuring a normal street with people walking around, but I guess not enough of them are white. It’s a whole subgenre, each channel full of people with St. George’s Cross profile pics agreeing wildly in the comments that its all gone to shit now.
It really is a tragic parallel to what you see on algorithmic “media” in the USA. Every comment section is a gutter where terminally online people circlejerk with fear and hatred as lube.
Anyway I’m thinking of starting a peertube channel where I upload art videos.
And still the fascists will claim that the country is on fire and needs to be cleansed of all immigrants. Crime rates have been dropping all over Europe for decades despite increased immigration, but still right wing parties are rising everywhere.
Crime rates have been dropping all over Europe for decades
One counter example: Germany 2023.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-violent-crime-reaches-15-year-high-report/a-68758122
for decades
2023
Ah yes, thats how statistics work. You cherry pick a single year to pretend that a general trend, going on for over 50x of that time frame, doesnt exist.
You are demonstrating how the far right fearmongers so well. Picking one single statistic and spread it without necessary context and overblowing its relevance. That’s Blöd-Zeitung’s level.
Highlights, from the EU, so not just Germany:
The number of intentional homicides in the EU increased by 1.5% in 2023, compared with 2022.
Police-recorded crimes against property in the EU increased in 2023: thefts rose by 4.8%, robberies by 2.7% and burglaries by 4.2% compared with the previous year.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Crime_statistics
The overall trend was declining so far but it could be that we have reached the bottom. I haven’t said that the trend is wrong. I actually stressed that it is one counter example.
As you write, that doesn’t mean that the trend is wrong but we also can’t assume that everything is still alright without making sure that it is.
Again, there is missing a lot. A breakdown for countries, some context for victims (femicides in family context are mentioned, but not a lot more), motivation for property related crimes etc.
The problem is, conveying this kind of context is a complex task while it is very easy to oversimplify and overexaggerate cherrypicked statistics that fit a certain narrative, and right wing populists are exceptionally good at riling up the populace with the latter.I agree with the worries, but by the same logic the number from the headline should also be treated as an outlier.
Crime rates have been dropping all over Europe for decades despite increased immigration, but still right wing parties are rising everywhere.
This is a setup for failure. If the numbers are not dropping anymore and the left wing is not ready to acknowledge it then they can’t understand why right wing parties are rising. It’s not all just fearmongering that convinces people to vote for the right wing.
but by the same logic the number from the headline should also be treated as an outlier.
If the only information we had, yes. We do have mire context though. We do have a specific place and the article gives additional information about the long term trends over decades. That is the relevant context.
This is a setup for failure. If the numbers are not dropping anymore and the left wing is not ready to acknowledge it
If, if, if. If the numbers are not dropping anymore, we need more context, yes. For example, we need to look at the development of factors known to influence criminal behavior, like poverty rates, crisis situations, existential worries etc. Rhat is exactly my point the whole time, ffs.
Also I don’t know what you want to insinuate about the left wing now? At least here in Germany, Die Linke is the only party actually wanting to address issues that contribute to the decision towards criminal activities, like housing crisis, rising cost of living, etc.It’s not all just fearmongering that convinces people to vote for the right wing.
Why do you think that is what I said? I didn’t state anything alike. It’s just the factor we’re discussing.
Why do you think that is what I said?
I was talking about the sentence that I quoted.
In general I agree with you and I agree with the trend. However, my opinion is that the AfD and other parties wouldn’t be successful if the established parties had acknowledged the outliers.
There will always be outliers on these trends. One high year in the middle of a 20 year decline doesn’t break the trend.
The slight caveat to this being except if you’re a black man: https://www.the-londoner.co.uk/youve-never-been-less-likely-to-be-murdered-in-london-unless-youre-black/
Reform will be very keen to reverse this if they get a chance to implement their British version of ICE
Reform, Re-use old Tories, and Recycle Putin’s money. No thanks!
I am pretty sure HS2 will not be that bad. /s
That directly contradicts the message being broadcast, I wonder if the data will gain as much traction as the meme.
